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Re^5: Inclusion of Raku on PerlMonks

by liz (Monsignor)
on Oct 15, 2019 at 18:57 UTC ( #11107497=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^4: Inclusion of Raku on PerlMonks
in thread Inclusion of Raku on PerlMonks

Your statement is of big "political" importance and PM is one of the main media of the community.
A PerlMonks community who has time and time again made me feel unwelcome. So I don't see the big political importance. if anything, what I say here has proven to be not very important.

I always fought hard to keep this community open for diverse opinions and constructive discussions and am sad when the system folds to trolling.
I know your pain. I am also sad that I had to "fold" from my views, in order to get Perl 6 renamed. I think we are in a new reality now, where forces in the communities want to distance themselves from each other. I have given in to these forces now. If anything, my remarks were intended to allow more rest in the monastery.

So out of respect to us who played fair, please bother for 5 minutes to get your password mailed.
So done, and now I will immediately delete that mail again. I don't intend to come back here. I wish the PerlMonks and the Perl 5 community best of luck in their future endeavours. I'm no longer part of them anymore.

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Re^6: Inclusion of Raku on PerlMonks
by Your Mother (Bishop) on Oct 15, 2019 at 19:12 UTC

    I will always be grateful for your participation in Perl.

      I back that up.

Re^6: Inclusion of Raku on PerlMonks
by jdporter (Canon) on Oct 16, 2019 at 02:24 UTC

    I echo the others' sentiments. You were always a force for good, liz. I personally regret that things were said here which make you want to leave. :-(

Re^6: Inclusion of Raku on PerlMonks
by Happy-the-monk (Canon) on Oct 15, 2019 at 21:06 UTC

    Sad you feel that way. We'll always love you liz.

    Cheers, Sören

    Créateur des bugs mobiles - let loose once, run everywhere.
    (hooked on the Perl Programming language)

Re^6: Inclusion of Raku on PerlMonks
by LanX (Archbishop) on Oct 15, 2019 at 20:15 UTC
    Thank you for answering! Now it's official. :(

    I'm really sorry if a very small minority here made you feel not welcomed.

    It's one thing to argue about differing opinions , another to byte people away.

    Sad day...

    Cheers Rolf
    (addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
    Wikisyntax for the Monastery FootballPerl is like chess, only without the dice

Re^6: Inclusion of Raku on PerlMonks
by Jenda (Abbot) on Oct 16, 2019 at 12:25 UTC

    The path to hell is paved with good intentions.

    The intention behind Perl 6 was good, there is no doubt about that.

    It hurt Perl reputation nevertheless and the stubborn refusal to rename "the next version of Perl" to "project whatever that might become some future version of Perl" when it became clear that it's not going to be anywhere near complete any year soon was a big part of that. The project should have NEVER been called Perl 6!

    Jenda
    1984 was supposed to be a warning,
    not a manual!

      Nonsense. Perl was becoming the despised step child of programming languages and being rejected at all the big shops like Amazon and Yahoo *before* Perl6 was even conceived. I was at Amazon then and watched it unfold under the bootheel of Java and the giddiness for Ruby. Perl6 did, however, help with the resuscitation of Perl5 c 2005. None of the negativity or attacks on Perl6 here have ever helped Perl5 in the slightest; only increased acrimony and sent users like liz who had straddled and contributed to both worlds away.

        Perl was becoming the despised step child of programming languages and being rejected at all the big shops like Amazon and Yahoo *before* Perl6 was even conceived.

        Can you produce a reference for this? What is it about Perl that makes it so unsavory?

        I knew that using perl wasn't making me popular, but I didn't think of it as a loadstone in that sense either....

        Should be mentioned that Moose was modeled after Perl 6's OO model.

        So there were many benefits from the analysis and visions behind Perl 6.

        The question is rather: is p5p as an institution capable of having any visions?

        IMHO was Perl 6 also an attempt to bypass the deadlocks there.

        Cheers Rolf
        (addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
        Wikisyntax for the Monastery FootballPerl is like chess, only without the dice

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