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Re^6: Amicable divorce (The Camel Paradox)

by ribasushi (Pilgrim)
on Jul 12, 2020 at 01:43 UTC ( #11119191=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^5: Amicable divorce (The Camel Paradox)
in thread Amicable divorce

> ... the rest of the thread which pushes back against it ... just a discussion where one person has an idea and other people disagree?
chromatic, you are lying and misdirecting. Please stop.
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Re^7: Amicable divorce (Discussion culture)
by LanX (Cardinal) on Jul 12, 2020 at 13:36 UTC
    It's really bothering me that key players of the community are resorting to more and more vitriol in the discussion. (including <update: names deleted> to name a few)

    Why isn't it possible to create a process where

    • interest groups are identified
    • a common strategy is outlined
    • RFCs are formulated with a test suite
    • a quality management looks over proof of concept and the implementation

    I always thought that my lack of understanding of P5P discussions is due to my limited knowledge.

    But I'm certain now that there is a serious and frustrating communication problem which needs to be resolved politically.

    And "politically" means a discussion and decision process which is transparent, reliable and efficient.

    Probably with mediators channeling the diplomacy and questioning the terminology.

    Update

    I'm totally pro dispute just in a scientific way, i.e sober and non emotional.

    Cheers Rolf
    (addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
    Wikisyntax for the Monastery

      Here's your discussion: https://github.com/Perl/perl5/wiki/SC-Notes-2020-07-12

      You can still help since the group "Would benefit from volunteer developers (who are subscribed to the vision)", as long as you don't forget to "actively support the leadership".

      #CamelJugend

        Oh great Godwin's law! :)

        Look I still think (have the illusion) that it's possible to express differing opinions and still stay friends.

        > leadership

        I'm for leadership as long as the process stays transparent and permeable.

        Cheers Rolf
        (addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
        Wikisyntax for the Monastery

      Please note that Liz and Wendy are *not* part of this discussion in any way whatsoever. I did reply the other day to a post by chromatic, indicating that *parsing* in Raku is slow, rather then the whole of Raku. That's it. Please go figure out your shit by yourselves. The elephant in the room "responsible" for all the chaos, has left the room. Liz
        I wasn't referring to this discussion.

        I was lamenting vitriol in the community.

        All the best

        - Rolf

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