Re^2: The STEM quote I most wish I'd made is:

[LanX]

> and that mathematics was included implicitly as the foundation for all the others.

From my experience this would exclude medicine.

(NOW I'm nasty :)

PS: FWIW the corresponding German term is MINT

• Mathematics
• "Informatik" ( = Computer Science)
• Natural Sciences
• Technology

I mostly hear it in connection with phrases like "I always wished my child would go study at a MINT faculty..."

[tobyink]

There is some mathematics directly involved in medicine, such as calculating doses based on patient weight.

But it's mostly indirect. Medicine is based on biology. Biology is based on organic chemistry. Chemistry is the study of the effects of physics on atoms. And physics is maths using energy and matter instead of numbers.

[LanX]

> But it's mostly indirect. Medicine is based on biology.

To put this in context: Most questions about Bioinformatics here come from biologists who switched to programming to avoid (financial) starvation.

Nuff said ;-)

Medical research requires lots of statistics, and I'm too polite to repeat what befriended pharmacologists have to say about the mathematical skills of physicians.

[bliako]

Oh my favourite subject! LanX you could add to the list AstraZeneca's efforts to re-invent statistical testing and when messing things up using un-scientific, super-natural explanations.

Two full doses of the vaccine appeared to be only 62% effective at preventing disease, while a half dose, followed by a full dose, was about 90% effective. That latter analysis was conducted on a small subset of the study participants, only 2,741.

And not counting the age signatures of the groups, I must add.

STEM: perhaps add Economics in there too?