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Re^2: Pumpking resignation

by syphilis (Bishop)
on Apr 14, 2021 at 12:54 UTC ( #11131271=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re: Pumpking resignation
in thread Pumpking resignation

... so he might get the impression that most of the community shared the views of a few most loud members

Yes, I think that can happen when those that incessantly question and raise objections to the plans being made are allowed to continue unchallenged.
I've seen numerous posts made in relation to the steering committee activities, and to the perl7 plans, where I've thought "just shut the fuck up, and let them get on with it !!".
But, of course, I've said nothing. After all, I'm certainly no expert.

It's sad ... I felt that perl was in good hands while SawyerX was at the helm, and yet I've done nothing to encourage him to stay there.

Cheers,
Rob

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Re^3: Pumpking resignation
by marto (Cardinal) on Apr 14, 2021 at 16:25 UTC

    I've seen various posts and actions recently which are totally the opposite. One person making a decision, no discussion to be had, despite many people with vested interests trying to point out that there are better courses of action. An example Regarding the closure of rt.cpan. Fortunately enough push back occurred and something was done about it. From what I understand based on people actually doing the work on perl core/toolchain, rather than making managerial decisions, this has been the case with a lot of the decisions made about perl7, some of the people involved commented on the HN thread linked to earlier, e.g. Christian Walde have documented the situation well. Letting people "just get on with it" isn't always the best idea.

      Letting people "just get on with it" isn't always the best idea

      I felt that the arguments had been put forward and it was time to proceed.
      If we have to wait for everyone to agree then we'll never get beyond perl5.

      The idea of never getting beyond version 5 doesn't really bother me as perl5 provides everything I need - I even have workarounds for the bits I don't like.
      However, I was actually excited when the perl7 announcement was made, and I was looking forward to seeing it released and finding out just how it differed from current perl.

      I'm not so excited any more.

      Cheers,
      Rob

        I'm all for a bump of version number from 5 to 7, provided it doesn't cause big problems and adds something. As Karen Etheridge states:

        ”We haven't really gotten seriously into the discussion yet of what perl 7 will include. All that's happened so far is one person made a premature announcement of what they wanted, (parts of) the community objected, and we backed up and created a governance process.

        I certainly want perl 7 to be more than what has been so far ascribed to it, to make the major version number change truly worthwhile."

        other comments in that thread elaborate on this problem, as do posts on p5p.

      An example Regarding the closure of rt.cpan. Fortunately enough push back occurred and something was done about it.

      To be clear, rt.cpan.org got new life not because people pushed back, but because some people stepped up to take it over. Without action, no amount of verbal pushback would have changed a thing.

      xoxo,
      Andy
      I've seen various posts and actions recently which are totally the opposite. One person making a decision, no discussion to be had, despite many people with vested interests trying to point out that there are better courses of action.

      These 3 sentences produce contradiction. I don't think marto calls balls and strikes impartially.

        "These 3 sentences produce contradiction."

        You quoted two sentences. Where's the contradiction?

        "I don't think marto calls balls and strikes impartially."

        I don't understand the sporting/game analogy. Can you point out anything to back up your claim I've been less than impartial in some way?

        Update: Reworded last sentence for clarity.

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