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Re^4: Pumpking resignation

by syphilis (Bishop)
on Apr 15, 2021 at 00:22 UTC ( #11131308=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to Re^3: Pumpking resignation
in thread Pumpking resignation

Letting people "just get on with it" isn't always the best idea

I felt that the arguments had been put forward and it was time to proceed.
If we have to wait for everyone to agree then we'll never get beyond perl5.

The idea of never getting beyond version 5 doesn't really bother me as perl5 provides everything I need - I even have workarounds for the bits I don't like.
However, I was actually excited when the perl7 announcement was made, and I was looking forward to seeing it released and finding out just how it differed from current perl.

I'm not so excited any more.


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Re^5: Pumpking resignation
by marto (Cardinal) on Apr 15, 2021 at 07:37 UTC

    I'm all for a bump of version number from 5 to 7, provided it doesn't cause big problems and adds something. As Karen Etheridge states:

    ”We haven't really gotten seriously into the discussion yet of what perl 7 will include. All that's happened so far is one person made a premature announcement of what they wanted, (parts of) the community objected, and we backed up and created a governance process.

    I certainly want perl 7 to be more than what has been so far ascribed to it, to make the major version number change truly worthwhile."

    other comments in that thread elaborate on this problem, as do posts on p5p.

      "one person made a premature announcement of what they wanted" -- meaning the pumpking who managed the last few releases of Perl? Talk about setting someone up. So much second-guessing by armchair pumpkings. People like Matt Trout who just lob verbal grenades are the problem here, not people like Sawyer who was simply trying to do the job he was volunteering for (didn;t see anyone else step up to relieve him...)

      The way forward always starts with a minimal test.

        "meaning the pumpking who managed the last few releases of Perl? Talk about setting someone up. So much second-guessing by armchair pumpkings."

        I don't think anyone is disputing who said what here, unless I very much misunderstand what you are telling me. In terms of "armchair pumpkings" I don't really follow this analogy. A manager makes an announcement about product X, the people who actually build product X have some issues with what was announced. This does not seem on the surface as something I'd describe as unreasonable. I've heard/read tale (here and elsewhere) that repeat attempts to explain such problems by people who are building product X were ignored by the manager. Without spending the time to go through all of the public conversations about this (I just don't have the time, and these days it's all over the place), for someone not directly involved it's difficult to see the big picture as a whole. Given the way of the world the last year or so, and the situation with perl related things in general (as previously touched on) I can 100% believe that burnout, COVID/lockdown related fatigue is a serious thing, and all of the impacts on mental health that go along with it.

        Update: On the last point I'm reminded of one of my favorite moments in TPC Glasgow Developers, engineers and the downward spiral‎ - Christopher Rasch-Olsen Raa.

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