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Re^2: Perl "CAT" response to Pumpking resignation turmoil

by LanX (Cardinal)
on Apr 27, 2021 at 21:49 UTC ( #11131768=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to Re: Perl "CAT" response to Pumpking resignation turmoil
in thread Perl Foundation Community Affairs Team Transparency Report

There is a worrying tendency to cannibalism in the last years.

I don't know this case, the headlines are frustrating enough.

But I know people who suffered under MSTs outbursts before. So he's certainly part of the general problem.

I whished the community had stable political structures to canalize different interests into civil discussions and transparent decisions, instead of hurting people in public dog-fights.

Cheers Rolf
(addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
Wikisyntax for the Monastery

PS: I like MST. (Update) I like Sawyer. I like Liz. I like Reini. ...

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Re^3: Perl "CAT" response to Pumpking resignation turmoil
by perlfan (Vicar) on May 06, 2021 at 06:29 UTC
    LanX, I think you nailed. The question is, why do highly productive and interesting people end upgetting cancelled. On one hand, out bursts are part of it. On the other hand, objective outlets for actual contributions must exist. I think we are lacking the latter, and this can cause frustration for people who just want to get shit done. Imagine all the people who didn't try to raise the alarm, for fear of cancellation. They've just left and nobody even noticed.
      Cancel-Culture is only a new - and very US driven - part of the problem.

      Problem is mainly about communication and gifted politicians who manage that communication. And I don't mean "politician" as a derogatory term.

      And it may surprise you, but I also feel sorry for the members of the CAT committee and TPF, because they damaged their own reputation.

      TPF has neither a legal nor economic basis outside North America, all they have here is respect ... Diminishing that is really sad.

      I'm also happy - most of us should be - that most things I said in the past were not logged in the non-forgetting internet , so that some agitated activist could (ab)use it for an outburst of hate which will cause an avalanche of reactions. (I'm still shuddering about the way Brendan Eich was forced to resign as CEO of Mozilla.)

      We had a discussion at the last German PM online meeting about the CoC for the next GPW, and I tried to lobby for a very minimal one based on common sense and requiring respect for each other.

      I think it's enough that the organizers have all the right to intervene, moderate or ban iff there is a conflict, without trying to codify ever edge-case.

      I don't thinks nerds and social "code" play well together. (Probably because there is no social computer to run test-cases for evaluation... ;-)

      There is that ongoing discussion what Perl needs to survive , and for me the answer is simple:

      More Fun than Frustration.
      And this BS is frustrating...

      Cheers Rolf
      (addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
      Wikisyntax for the Monastery


      BTW: (<irony>) Ze Christmas tree is German and any misuse cultural appropriation. All underlying presents are ours! (</irony>)

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