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Re: Demotions of monks
by eyepopslikeamosquito (Archbishop) on Jan 05, 2022 at 08:08 UTC
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Yes, it is quite the mystery! At least I couldn't find anything.
That won't stop me speculating though. :)
Searching indicates the (now dormant) Petruchio was the driving force behind
changing the Perl Monks levels:
As you can see, all 28 of Petruchio's levels of 2005 remain intact,
with just one minor tweak, Petruchio's level 28 (Pope, 100,000+) being split into two:
- Level 28, Patriarch (100,000+)
- Level 29, His Eminence (1,000,000+)
Why?
I have no idea, but after examining the early history of the Perl Monks experience system,
I cannot restrain myself from speculating.
It seems that
vroom gave himself a gift of one million XP as a reward for founding this site
(to balance the books, Perl Monk antivroom was created with an XP in excess of minus one million! :).
So, and this is just a guess, perhaps the "His Eminence" level of 1,000,000+ XP was created for vroom, and vroom alone,
designed to be unreachable by other monks ... though it seems we now need more (attainable) 100,000+ levels
given we have three monks above 100,000 XP with nothing more to realistically strive for.
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Re: Demotions of monks
by LanX (Saint) on Jan 05, 2022 at 09:33 UTC
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Some weeks ago, jdporter discussed it in the CB.
Reasoning was something like: a pope should be singular (IIRC).
And it's not a demotion, a pope is a patriarch. I can name at least two churches° which call their patriarch "pope".
updates
°) The lesser known one residing in Cairo/Egypt.
²) A third one - even lesser known - residing in Alexandria/Egypt.
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Re: Demotions of monks
by erzuuli (Cannon) on Jan 05, 2022 at 10:35 UTC
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LanX is correct. I simply renamed the
level. No demotions; I changed neither
the XP requirement for the level,
nor the XP of any monk.
I also created the new level just for vroom.
I feel it's appropriate, given that the
others earned their rank by playing the XP game,
whereas he did not.
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I simply renamed the level
That you renamed it to a term whose meaning is female-exclusive is, I think, the most interesting aspect of that change.
Cheers,
Rob
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It's ok, none of them are female.
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Re: Demotions of monks
by kcott (Archbishop) on Jan 05, 2022 at 19:21 UTC
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G'day Rob,
"I don't see any discussion ..."
Nor do I.
There should be an entry in "Tidings".
When I first noticed this, I did find a minor text change, without explanation, in "Voting/Experience System";
compare that with the comprehensive explanation of the last change in "A Level Playing Field".
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Re: Demotions of monks
by Gavin (Archbishop) on Jan 05, 2022 at 06:49 UTC
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"I don't see any discussion"
Nor do I. One would have thought there would have been some discussion before such a move was made.
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Re: Demotions of monks
by Fletch (Bishop) on Jan 05, 2022 at 16:00 UTC
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Fake internet points are fake. What's in a name? Dude, where's my car? This is not my beautiful house.
At any rate . . . meh. Same as it ever was. Obligatory: Patience Monty. Climb the ladder.
The cake is a lie.
The cake is a lie.
The cake is a lie.
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Re: Demotions of monks
by erzuuli (Cannon) on Jan 05, 2022 at 20:59 UTC
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As with many changes on the site, this one should be considered "experimental" or "provisional". Throw it against the wall and see what sticks.
I'm soliciting opinions. My own is that "pope" is both too singular (very unique?) in that the Catholic Church only has one pope (except under extremely extraordinary circumstances),
and too specific to one particular religious sect. "Patriarch", on the other hand, is more generic, and is used by a variety of sects: there can be, and in fact are, numerous patriarchs in the world
at any given time.
Perhaps we should consider a term from other monastic traditions, such as... lama?
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I like that vroom's one million XP level is unattainable for ordinary mortals and suggest it be left alone
in the interests of preserving the quirky history and tradition of Perl Monks.
Given that three monks have already scaled the rarefied 100,000 XP plateau,
we should ensure their awe-inspiring XP journey remains captivating -- both for
them and their many enthralled fans.
The obvious way to do that is to simply add a few more levels, something like:
| Level | XP | # Of Votes | Title |
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| 28 | 100000 | 54 | Patriarch |
| 29 | 150000 | 56 | ? |
| 30 | 200000 | 58 | ? |
| 31 | 250000 | 60 | ? |
| 32 | 1000000 | 100 | His Eminence |
I'm not that interested in the titles given to these new super-elite levels.
Suggestions welcome, especially from those with a passion for religious history and tradition.
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And then upon reaching these top levels the newly leveled monk will have to seek out one of the prior holders and defeat them in single combat without using magic weapo . . . wait, are we still doing 1st edition?
Slightly (very) more seriously, maybe something like go rankings and numbered ranks (1 Patriarch to 9 Patriarch). Or playing off the lama suggestion, different species of genus Camelidae. Combining the two eventually one could aspire to the revered title of 9 Alpaca.
The cake is a lie.
The cake is a lie.
The cake is a lie.
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Til level 22 Bishop ΔXP was constantly growing, then it stalled at 10000.
From there on climbing ranks didn't become harder anymore.²
see Levels of Monks for details
Readjusting those deltas to constant grow would give you your extra levels in a natural way, without needing to invent new ranks.°
This would actually mean a demotion, now for real.³
But I wouldn't care.
Tho I think the monastery has more urgent problems...
°) Here a rough sketch. The deltas would of course need to be properly rounded to steps modulo 1000
DB<4> say join ':', $_,$d*=1.25,$xp+=$d for 23..28
23:12500:52500
24:15625:68125
25:19531.25:87656.25
26:24414.0625:112070.3125
27:30517.578125:142587.890625
28:38146.97265625:180734.86328125
as you can see, even BUK would need to reincarnate to reach (28) patriarch again ;-)
²) well it was far easier in the old times to gather XP, but that's not the point here
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Suggestions welcome, especially from those with a passion for religious history and tradition
I don't pay a lot of attention to religious history and tradition.
But, if there's any interest in gender-balance, I would suggest the inclusion of one or more of "Nun", "Sister" and "Mother Superior".
Has none of this come up before ??
Cheers,
Rob
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Re: Demotions of monks
by Discipulus (Canon) on Jan 05, 2022 at 08:54 UTC
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hello syphilis,
it happened long time ago, in 1054
L*
PS
No; I was worng: in January 2021 we still had popes
There are no rules, there are no thumbs..
Reinvent the wheel, then learn The Wheel; may be one day you reinvent one of THE WHEELS.
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Re: Demotions of monks
by Anonymous Monk on Jan 05, 2022 at 16:31 UTC
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BTW, since you're SO politically correct and "inclusive" (LOL)... stating that a Pope becoming a Patriarch is a "demotion" is quite offensive (to some). It is just Latin supremacism, and also a heresy. You must be punished for your thoughtcrime. | [reply] |
