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Could we stop this?
by Hanamaki (Chaplain) on Sep 14, 2001 at 22:34 UTC
    No offense intented, but could we stop to talk about this topic in a technical group. When this stupid terrorist attack on New York happened all of us were shocked, and we naturally wanted to talk about our feelings. IMHO, thats okay as an exception.

    But we are a technical community here. Many of us have different believe systems, different worldviews, different religions, etc. pp.
    I have my own opinions on Gun Law, driving without speed limit, capital and corporal punishment, religious fundamentalism by christians or muslim or hindi, hamburgers and mad cow disease, and much more. On all these topics we could have strong fights because I have my believes!!! But this is not the place to fight. While mourning and expressing your sad feelings seem to be okay, we should not start to fight on these topics.
    16 years ago when I got my amateur radio license (ham) the regulation office told us Never speak about politics!, -- wise guys!
    For talking about revenge, politics, airplane safety, war etc. there are other groups and communties.

    Going into politics can destroy a peaceful and nice community like the perl monks. So I beg you Please stop it!

    Please get me right there is no flame intended, and other threads are more approbriate to post this, but this is the newest thread in a row of WTC threads.

    I want to appologize to fellow perl monk princepawn for using his well intended thread to complain.

    Hanamaki
      On reflection I disagree with Hanamaki. A thing I've noticed about Perlmonks is that it actually is a community, in a way that so many other places on the web are not. People here have personalities, not just personas. And a feature of real communities, even ones founded around a single common interest, is that the rest of life spills into them. I just got back from a fund-raiser for a local sheltered housing project, and sure, we talked about sheltered housing - but we also talked about New York and DC.

      In real communities, people talk about what's on their minds. They don't perhaps come to the community with the intention of unburdening themselves. They come to write code. But they don't check the rest of their mind at the door. So in the first place it won't be possible to stop people talking about this. It's going to happen - and siblings who don't want to read it just have to exercise the same self-control they exercise (or not) by not wasting hours coming up with obfu.

      But to my mind, it's nothing but a sign of health when we can talk about this kind of thing. Not that that is what the monastery is for; what it's for is perl. But we do perl by exchanging ideas and skills and information in an open free-form way. And that happens best in an atmosphere where people can be themselves, where they're not just here for technical purposes. It happens best in a community.

      In short, perlmonks will only be a good technical community if it's a technical community.

      Sibling Hanamaki's point about creating dissension and bad feeling and breaking down the community is well taken. If that were a danger, it would be something we should try and stop. Though as I say, I don't think anyone could stop it because if somebody wants to post, he's going to post, more so if you try shut him up. But my experience is that it doesn'tthreaten the community. I've read views I agree with and views I don't agree with; but almost without exception I have respected the seriousness with which they are expressed and held. I have disagreed strenuously with other monks (for example about Afghanistan, where I worked for a year, a country I love dearly and which I fear is grossly misunderstood - glad to take that one up at a later date!). But to my mind this can only strengthen the community. Maybe it wouldn't strengthen other, weaker communities. But we have enough in common and, I must say, a high enough average level of getting-over-ourselves and general maturity, that for us here, I think strenuous debate is a positive force.

      One other thing that real communities do, is they go on and on about how the community works and what's wrong with it and what's right with it and how it ought to change, yada yada, and this too is a form of discourse that binds the community together. Any damn' fool can agree to differ: but I think the arguments that go on here are both founded on, and constructive of, the large common ground we have. To which Hanamaki, by stimulating this conversation, has also contributed.

      George Sherston
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Re: Arm the flight attendants and lock the cockpit.
by dragonchild (Archbishop) on Sep 14, 2001 at 22:41 UTC
    Sibling Hanamaki is correct.

    In addition, access to the cockpits is not permitted by both FAA rules and airline policy. But, if you're a pilot and I said "Let me in or I start killing passengers!" ... what would you do? Even if the cockpit was locked.......

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Re: Arm the flight attendants and lock the cockpit.
by touch (Novice) on Sep 15, 2001 at 13:00 UTC
    As I'm sure others have said, arming flight attendants or hiring armed guards may only arm the hijackers with more powerfull weapons. As I am a pilot in training, I couldn't imagine if the cockpit were locked and I was told to open it or passengers would be killed.

    The only thing that I think could and should be done(at least for larger planes) is a bit of programming to the aircrafts computers. Most large planes are push button operated. Meaning taking off and landing are pretty much controlled by the computer. In the event of a hijacking, the pilot is supposed to contact the tower and change his transponder to 7700(emergency signal). I'm not positive, but I believe there is also the equivalent to a "silent alarm" button, like a bank, that alerts the tower of a hijacking. This is not enough. What needs to happen, is if this button is pressed, the control tower takes control of the aircraft and puts it into a circle pattern.

    What this would mean(and let the hijackers know this before hand!) is that the plane would be uncontrollable to the pilot or anybody else on that plane. Without computer control, it would be impossible to created the nightmare that happened to the WTC Towers and the Pentagon. While I don't like the idea of letting the computer land an aircraft, it has been done before with some success and in a time of need ,such as those that just occured, I wouldn't mind taking the chance. Alright, I'm tired and rambling so I'll leave you to think about this. Bottom line, no weapons on board, no locked cockpit, NO CONTROL in the plane after hijackers are suspected(under any circumstance: even if the captain radios the tower and tells them its a false alarm)

    -touch

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