Re: Think Perl 6 (new book)

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Re^2: Think Perl 6 (new book) by jdporter (Paladin) on May 19, 2017 at 17:39 UTC
I don't want to impede ongoing discussion on this topic, as it seems to be lively and for the most part respectful. But I would like to clarify one thing. PerlMonks is a community. In this community, there is a general consensus that Perl 6 topics are acceptable. Obviously not everyone is going to agree with this, but at least as of today this is within the community's norms. Perl 6 does not (yet) have its own community site like PerlMonks. And given that the Perl 6 community is made up almost entirely of members of the "true Perl" community, I'm happy to host their discussions here, if they like -- Raiph and his posts being an obvious example. At the same time, I would encourage all who post on the Perl 6 topic to include the "[P6]" prefix on their title lines, as a service to all, in just the same way that "off topic" posts get the "[OT]" tag. Thanks. I reckon we are the only monastery ever to have a dungeon stuffed with 16,000 zombies.	[reply]
Re^3: Think Perl 6 (new book) by 1nickt (Canon) on May 19, 2017 at 20:18 UTC
I would encourage all who post on the Perl 6 topic to include the "P6" prefix on their title lines ... What to do, then, when a thread about Perl is hijacked and begins to discuss "Perl6" ? The way forward always starts with a minimal test.	[reply]
Re^4: Think Perl 6 (new book) by jdporter (Paladin) on May 19, 2017 at 22:34 UTC
Replies do not have to have the exact same title as their parent. So, yeah -- good point. If someone replies to a non-Perl-6-specific post with a Perl-6-specific one, he should add the "[P6]" to his reply's title. Of course, such conventions are only sporadically followed, so it behooves the reader to "be liberal in what you accept". I reckon we are the only monastery ever to have a dungeon stuffed with 16,000 zombies.	[reply]
Re^4: Think Perl 6 (new book) by Anonymous Monk on May 19, 2017 at 22:22 UTC
What a question? If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other languages (languages that neither you nor your fathers have known, languages of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or languages of other operating systems), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. Continue This Holy War, Oh Brother!	[reply]
Re^2: Think Perl 6 (new book) by stevieb (Canon) on May 18, 2017 at 21:44 UTC
That's akin to saying that perl4 is not Perl. To that end, perl1, perl2 or perl3 either. I personally appreciate what you have to say, and you as a person, but your digging at perl6 is a bit ~disturbing~. Why? Is it a fear of Perlmonks being taken over? A fear of a job loss situation? I'm seriously curious, legitimately.	[reply]
Re^3: Think Perl 6 (new book) by 1nickt (Canon) on May 18, 2017 at 21:59 UTC
Not akin at all. Your Perl 4 program is Perl and will run under Perl 5. "Perl6" is a different language, as its own promotional blurb states .... so why does it continue to use the same name? The way forward always starts with a minimal test.	[reply]
Re^4: Think Perl 6 (new book) by stevieb (Canon) on May 18, 2017 at 22:00 UTC
Because Larry Wall, the inventor and still current authority over the language Perl says so? I still don't grasp what the issue is. Someone creates something; someone updates their thing into separate tracks; ... I guess what I don't understand is why some people are so fundamentally angry about it. I would love to have all of the arguments laid out logically. Who cares what the new language is called realistically. I don't understand how it affects some people emotionally. It could be called (taking a quip out of "American Gangster") "Blue Dog Shit". What's the difference? Why the hatred? Why does one care? What ties does one have to the name "Perl" that makes one so angry?	[reply]
Re^5: Think Perl 6 (new book) by hippo (Bishop) on May 18, 2017 at 22:36 UTC
Re^5: Think Perl 6 (new book) by shmem (Chancellor) on May 19, 2017 at 22:59 UTC
Re^6: Think Perl 6 (new book) by jdporter (Paladin) on May 20, 2017 at 12:30 UTC
Re^5: Think Perl 6 (new book) by 1nickt (Canon) on May 18, 2017 at 22:14 UTC
Re^6: Think Perl 6 (new book) by stevieb (Canon) on May 18, 2017 at 22:59 UTC
Re^5: Think Perl 6 (new book) by Anonymous Monk on May 19, 2017 at 15:45 UTC
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Re^2: Think Perl 6 (new book) by karlgoethebier (Abbot) on May 19, 2017 at 15:52 UTC
""Perl6" is not Perl..." It looks like this becomes your Idée fixe. Regards, Karl «The Crux of the Biscuit is the Apostrophe» Furthermore I consider that Donald Trump must be impeached as soon as possible	[reply]
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Re^2: Think Perl 6 (new book) by Anonymous Monk on May 19, 2017 at 00:31 UTC
What is relevant here? Who decides what is relevant here?	[reply]
Re^3: Think Perl 6 (new book) by chacham (Prior) on May 19, 2017 at 14:02 UTC
Who decides what is relevant here? Everybody. From the approver, to possible considerers, to voters. That's part of the beauty of this site.	[reply]
Re^4: Think Perl 6 (new book) by Anonymous Monk on May 19, 2017 at 19:55 UTC
Really? What if a bunch of people joined and decided that Perl is not relevant and we should start discussing python/ruby/js ? Would the local admins continue running this site?	[reply]
Re^5: Think Perl 6 (new book) by chacham (Prior) on May 20, 2017 at 18:38 UTC
Re^6: Think Perl 6 (new book) by jdporter (Paladin) on May 22, 2017 at 01:53 UTC
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