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Anonymous Monk comment(s) on questions

by thanos1983 (Vicar)
on May 24, 2017 at 19:55 UTC ( #1191145=monkdiscuss: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

Hello everyone,

Lately I have been noticing very often Anonymous Monk is someone who is posting not nice answers to questions (e.g. Re^2: Supervised machine learning algo for text matching across two files).

Somehow we need to contain this. This is a great very polite forum that people with real questions come and search for answers. I comparison to other forums people here do help and not judge if their skills are not super or their knowledge on experience is high. Everyone of us was a beginner and we/I are still beginners in areas where other can strive.

Any way in conclusion, this forum is great but people like Anonymous Monk who hide behind anonymous profiles can post what ever they want and mess the reputation of this forum.

I would propose if possible to constrain Anonymous Monk from replying on questions, he should be still possible to post and read any questions but what about not been able to post a reply if he is not a registered member?

What do you think, would that maintain somehow this problem?

Seeking for Perl wisdom...on the process of learning...not there...yet!

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Re: Anonymous Monk comment(s) on questions
by chacham (Prior) on May 24, 2017 at 20:29 UTC

    Constraining is not usually the best method to move forward. Indeed, it rarely works, and even when it does, something else is usually found to do the same thing again. Personally, i think that having almost all such comments under the same username keeps it to some extent contained.

    To combat this, we have Nodes to consider. The situation may not be perfect, but it does seem to work well enough.

      Hello chacham,

      I had no clue about (Nodes to consider), thanks for the tip.

      Well constraining maybe not be the answer, and at the end if the nodes are reaped it kind of make sense not constrain the Anonymous Monk.

      Maybe I was thinking too aggressively.

      Seeking for Perl wisdom...on the process of learning...not there...yet!
Re: Anonymous Monk comment(s) on questions
by Discipulus (Monsignor) on May 25, 2017 at 08:28 UTC
    Hello thanos1983,

    to costrain it is no good; freedom to express himself anonymously is a sign of civility in PM.

    Also many anonymous comments are precious and technically neat and many monks post anonymously for years before creating an account.

    I'd prefere a way to distinguish visually bad content from good one as proposed in Re: Let's Make PerlMonks Great Again! -- font size



    L*

    There are no rules, there are no thumbs..
    Reinvent the wheel, then learn The Wheel; may be one day you reinvent one of THE WHEELS.

      Hello Discipulus,

      I agree with you, I have noticed that many monks post an answer anonymously and also this is an open forum and people should express their opinion even if some people just spend time to comment in an insulting way the OP.

      On top of that, I was thinking that by restraining the Anonymous Monk on commenting on questions, how he/she would comment on his own question. I mean let's assume that Anonymous Monk is asking a question and there are some replies but yet he/she is not clear about the answer, how he/she would be able to comment after?

      So I think my idea is not applicable for many reasons. A better approach would be as you suggested to use key words to detect malware comments.

      Seeking for Perl wisdom...on the process of learning...not there...yet!
Re: Anonymous Monk comment(s) on questions
by marinersk (Priest) on May 25, 2017 at 15:26 UTC

    Constraint is not in keeping with the spirit of the Monastery; that's been covered well enough.

    The comments to which you refer are also, in my humble but arrogant opinion, not particularly well-aligned with the spirit of the Monastery, either; each one of those reminds me of jeffa as he was losing his marbles and maturity a little ways back.

    However, censorship carried too far is also not in the spirit of the Monastery; the usual approach by most experienced Monks in most of these situations seems to be to quietly tolerate and ignore the trolls.

    I took a heavier hand during jeffa's diarrhetic explosion, and apparently many Monks agreed because many of those nodes got downvoted, considered, and, if memory serves, reaped. But it felt out of place in the Monastery, and even jeffa himself questioned whether Perlmonks had become intolerant of opinion. It was a ludicrous example, but a valid question, and I later resolved to return to the policy of simply ignoring the troll.

    I do find value in seeing the question addressed by the more senior Monks, if they'd care to take the time. Do we want to "police" the unfriendly and unhelpful nodes, or is ignoring them still in the best interests of the Monastery from their perspective?

      Hello marinersk

      A long version of my reply would include an analysis which persons are causing the damage and speculating about their motivation beyond just trolling.

      And I would talk about how the senior monks are underestimating the damage° because they don't see the "juniors" who silently avoid the monastery.*

      The short version is that we have good mechanisms to handle named users, which fail with Anonymous Monks who "lost their marbles".

      Hence I'd say some restrictions on censorship should be lifted in the case of AM , because realistically a real account would have been blocked or ignored already.

      One possibility could be allowing janitors to  reap AM immediately, another lowering the threshold° for automatic reaps of AM, or a combination of both.

      I also like the idea from Discipulus of a quality feed back by signaling the level of negative votes

      Because a newbee might think otherwise this rude reply he got is normal and accepted here.

      Instead of shrinking the font one could also grey it out successively.

      In any case this must be well discussed , because any change of rules might ruin the game or open new exploits.

      In the end it's a social not a technical problem...

      My 2 cents. :)

      Cheers Rolf
      (addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :)
      Je suis Charlie!

      °) See also

      *) IMHO bad experience outweighs good memories by factor 100

Re: Anonymous Monk comment(s) on questions
by Anonymous Monk on May 25, 2017 at 19:17 UTC

    Personally, I think AM opens up interesting modalities for having conversation, not to mention the lowered participation threshold this site absolutely needs.

    There's the node for "I think there should be a section". Where is the equivalent page for "We should loboto/circum/whatever-ize the AM"?

      I submitted a request to the SiteDocClan for exactly this in March of 2013. However, no SDC member has bothered to take on the task. I could do it myself, obviously, but I don't want to be a work hog. Some of the other SDC members are going to have to step up.

      I reckon we are the only monastery ever to have a dungeon stuffed with 16,000 zombies.
      Well, why don't you compose it?

Re: Anonymous Monk comment(s) on questions
by sundialsvc4 (Abbot) on Jun 05, 2017 at 22:05 UTC

    Like I said, and as you can now plainly see, “the internal politics of PerlMonks are ... interesting, to say the least.”

    And, I would say, they are beside the point.   (And, actually, it is not the most anti-social site of its class that I have ever yet encountered.)

    Perlmonks-dot-com is one of the oldest technical forum sites on the Internet, and it continues to succeed at its core mission.   Specifically:   it remains one of the very best sites on the Internet at which you can (quickly!) find (excellent!) information about the Perl language, and about esoteric computer-science topics in general.   Its archive of easily-searchable past postings is second to none.

    People Customers do not come to this site to listen to long-time participants’s personal opinions of one another, nor for their “votes” about one another’s postings.   They come here for timely answers and for excellent, well-seasoned advice.   And, on both counts, they get what they came for.

    Also, one of the long-time technical “quirks” of this site is that, if for any reason your session is lost while you are writing a post, PM will not hold your post and ask you to log back in, as most forum sites do.   Instead, it will silently accept your post ... as coming from Anonymous!   (If this happens to you, your post is now gone.)   Likewise if you simply forget to log in, the site will accept your post.   Thus, Anonymous Monk is not entirely “the favorite refuge of cowards.”   And, in any case, I predict that it will never, ever change.

Re: Anonymous Monk comment(s) on questions
by sundialsvc4 (Abbot) on Jun 02, 2017 at 23:29 UTC

    “Thanos, you are Preaching To The Choir.”

    Take it from a long-time participant who on any typical day finds his XP rating much more likely to go backwards than forwards:   “Anonymous Monk” has for years been the Holy Refuge of Monks who did not wish to risk Un-Holy Down-Votes as they sought to Vent Their Spleens.

    Therefore, I simply suggest that you should always remain focused upon ... “and, only upon” ...

    The Gentle Reader®

    Uh huh ... “the next Poor <Jane|Joe> with a Perl Question.”   Just stay focused on That Customer, and let all the rest of the bygones be bygones.   Write the very best responses that you can, if you have one, to any question that is asked, and strive to let the entire “(irrelevant, but inevitable ...) politics” pass over the feathers of your duck’s-back.

    The sometimes very-strange internal politics of PerlMonks are “precisely the way that they are” ... and, in my humble experience, are also “more or less as they always have been.”

    Nevertheless(!) ... (IMHO) this sometimes-crazy web site is, and somehow continues(!) to be:

    t-h-e Best-On-The-Web™ source of definitive answers about The Perl Language.
    And that, at least to me, is really the entire point.

    Frankly, to my way of thinking, “the entire ‘politics’ of such a situation” ... are ... ... ... irrelevant.   Therefore, quite undeserving of our attention.   Politics do not assist in the answering of questions.   Let us merely continue to answer questions.   As very best we can.

    And, let us fully acknowledge that we are in the company of Other Experts (really!) whose Expert Opinions (really!!!) are every bit as stuck in the mud anchored as ours (really!!! !!! !!!) are.   Let us all therefore freely acknowledge that This Is The Proper Way Of Things.   Let us therefore strive to give our Gentle Reader, yes, “The Full Monty.”

      Could you please, for the love of all things good, post the odd ramble that doesn't include all of the markup crap?

      Seriously... punctuation used properly can portray emphasis all on its own. The whitewash of html-y tags and such detract a reader from actually smoothly reading through each paragraph, and when my eyes get sick of it, they give up. I have to assume I'm not the only one, although I could be wrong.

      You've been around a while. When was the last time you read a *good* blog post, or especially a novel that has to emphasize with underlines, bold, italics and other stuff to get the point across? It's distracting, irritating, aggravating and bluntly, just doesn't flow.

        With nothing useful to say, he has to do something to attract attention.

        It's that markup crap, more than the vapidity of the content, that makes me regard that poster as a troll.

        He's mainly talking to himself and maybe some imaginary friends.

        And his audience likes it colorful. .. ;)

        FWIW You could use some CSS to tone down the posts of this particular monk.

        Cheers Rolf
        (addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :)
        Je suis Charlie!

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