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Re^2: Feature: Auto hide. Change: show node vote counts to all, not just logged in users. (bullshit ideas)

by Your Mother (Bishop)
on Jul 19, 2017 at 02:57 UTC ( #1195400=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re: Feature: Auto hide. Change: show node vote counts to all, not just logged in users. (bullshit ideas)
in thread Feature: Auto hide. Change: show node vote counts to all, not just logged in users.

Yeah! You tell ’em! Bats and bulls living together, and fakers who didn’t think for two seconds between them. Nodes with -10 reputation are valuable too. SJJAPHs, unite!

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Re^3: Feature: Auto hide. Change: show node vote counts to all, not just logged in users. (bullshit ideas)
by Anonymous Monk on Jul 19, 2017 at 03:07 UTC

    Your Mother: Yeah! You tell ’em! Bats and bulls living together, and fakers who didn’t think for two seconds between them. Nodes with -10 reputation are valuable too. SJJAPHs, unite!

    Yeah,

    How many new SOPW have negative reputations?

    How many new Meditations have negative reputations?

    And still get lots of replies and discussion going past Re^10 multiple times?

    Even reaped nodes with negative reputation get lots of followup, even from you

    So how exactly are they not valuable? Just because they're "unpopular"?

      How many SOPWs have -10 (total, not 10 downvotes) reps? None now. It almost never happens and when it does, it’s generally deserved. You can raise contrary examples if you know any. When I see them it’s requests for free code or job posting. Neither is of any value or should be shown or spidered.

      I don’t recall replying to reaped nodes. They aren’t instantly reaped you know and when I’m here, I’m a compulsive Recent Threads refresher with a post template and 90wpm hands.

      There is only one monk posting nodes that land below -10 reputation as a rule. Worst nodes of the day, the week, and the month are all owned by this monk. Once the sabbatical period catches up, it will be all or close to all of worst nodes of the year, again. There is not a single other current monk this would affect. Even historically it only would have meant anything to a small handful of monks, including the never quite known as watercrackers despite my attempts to popularize it and logicus; neither always deserved it, in my estimation, but the ethos here is real and needs to be respected. In contrast, a site that expects only answers and never code-free, citation-free, pontification, and bragging like StackOverflow would chew and spit.

      The monk in question posts advice that is sometimes dangerous—and could get a junior dev fired, disciplined, put on a PIP—but has the unfortunate habit of being half-right a lot of the time. Never containing direct answers. Just handwaving, buggy nonsense, C // comments in Perl code, mistaken assertions, advice that was questionable in 1998 and just awful today, constant assertions about wrong node/logout, frequent rehashing of settled issues that are only personal, straight up lies about voting habits, blah, blah, blah, and despite polite requests and helpful advice, this is never corrected. It’s been years. It’s a waste of everyone’s time to call it out over and over and it starts fights between other monks. If the nodes simply disappeared with the votes they are already getting–

      It would be a benefit to everyone and might be the wake-up call that is finally answered. The ringing bothers all of us.

        The monk in question posts advice that is sometimes dangerous�and could get a junior dev fired, disciplined, put on a PIP�but has the unfortunate habit of being half-right a lot of the time. Never containing direct answers. Just handwaving, buggy nonsense, C // comments in Perl code, mistaken assertions, advice that was questionable in 1998 and just awful today, constant assertions about wrong node/logout, frequent rehashing of settled issues that are only personal, straight up lies about voting habits, blah, blah, blah, and despite polite requests and helpful advice, this is never corrected. It�s been years. It�s a waste of everyone�s time to call it out over and over and it starts fights between other monks. If the nodes simply disappeared with the votes they are already getting� It would be a benefit to everyone and might be the wake-up call that is finally answered. The ringing bothers all of us.

        Amen!

         

        How many SOPWs have -10 (total, not 10 downvotes) reps? None now. It almost never happens and when it does, it’s generally deserved. You can raise contrary examples if you know any.

        Almost never since when?

        Id say its enough, whatever the actual percent of 1.2million nodes ; basically anything expressing unpopular opinion or deemed to express it generates discussion and goes negative reputation (me sensitive? I -- you )

        One example (probably) how to detect an email ? both approved and frontpaged by Corion , there are lots of them around, Web developer questions, O'reilly some sort of perl monopoly?, (OT troll) New Section: PHP , but they're hard to find as super search doesn't sort by reputation

         

        When I see them it’s requests for free code or ... Neither is of any value or should be shown or spidered.

        Lets see, it hasn't be a criteria for 18 years, its not a criteria for approval ... but now it needs to be effectively reaped ( a click to display and hidden from search engines) because "no value" posts are unbearable

        As a bonus everybody gets to learn from these "invisible" nodes what not to do (traditional reason given to responding to point out the rules/formatting instead of msg)

         

        I don’t recall replying to reaped nodes. They aren’t instantly reaped you know and when I’m here, I’m a compulsive Recent Threads refresher with a post template and 90wpm hands.

        Sure they're not instantly reaped, but "Re: Reaped:" is responding after they're reaped cause it was important enough not to be reaped

        For example Reaped: Re: Reaped: What was the date that perl actually died?

         

        There is only one monk posting nodes that land below -10 reputation as a rule. Worst nodes of the day, the week, and the month are all owned by this monk. Once the sabbatical period catches up, it will be all or close to all of worst nodes of the year, again. There is not a single other current monk this would affect. Even historically it only would have meant anything to a small handful of monks, including the never quite known as watercrackers despite my attempts to popularize it and logicus; neither always deserved it, in my estimation, but the ethos here is real and needs to be respected. In contrast, a site that expects only answers and never code-free, citation-free, pontification, and bragging like StackOverflow would chew and spit.

        Isn't "warts and all" part of the ethos, not hide unpopular?

         

        The monk in question posts advice that is sometimes dangerous—and could get a junior dev fired, disciplined, put on a PIP—but has the unfortunate habit of being half-right a lot of the time. Never containing direct answers. Just handwaving, buggy nonsense, C // comments in Perl code, mistaken assertions, advice that was questionable in 1998 and just awful today, constant assertions about wrong node/logout, frequent rehashing of settled issues that are only personal, straight up lies about voting habits, blah, blah, blah, and despite polite requests and helpful advice, this is never corrected. It’s been years. It’s a waste of everyone’s time to call it out over and over and it starts fights between other monks. If the nodes simply disappeared with the votes they are already getting–

        Drinking on the job could get a junior dev fired too, yet drinking is a frequent topic at the monastery, so thats just fake concern, a real shithead move, special rules for special assholes

         

        It would be a benefit to everyone and might be the wake-up call that is finally answered. The ringing bothers all of us.

        Surely there is a better solution for such a spammer, scrub the company username from the database and replace it with a new one, then the search indexing is irrelevant, and we can stop pretending that we care "quality answers"

      So how exactly are they not valuable?

      Remember, we're talking about just "hiding" them in some way, from Anonymous Monk only. To logged-in users like Your Mother, they will appear as normal -- unless the monk takes some measures personally, e.g. via css, to alter that.

      So in answer to your question, this would be essentially a new form of Moderation: Nodes which the community has deemed to be egregiously bad will be hidden from Anonymous Monk, and whoever else doesn't want to see them. More or less exactly how current moderation works with "approval": unapproved root posts are not visible to Anonymous Monks via the usual lists. (They're not hidden entirely; they can still be viewed directly, for example, or found via searching.)

      I reckon we are the only monastery ever to have a dungeon stuffed with 16,000 zombies.

        Approval requires no popularity

        Hiding anything, esp questions/poetry/meditations, from anyone , because its unpopular, is a lethal idea for a website like perlmonks

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