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Re^2: PBP in German out of print - solutions?

by LanX (Bishop)
on Sep 11, 2017 at 20:09 UTC ( #1199145=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


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Sorry this is mostly irrelevant for me, the book is very good in German, O'Reilly is employing pretty professional translators.

And it's a tech book, not Futurama with multiple levels of non translatable irony.

Cheers Rolf
(addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :)
Je suis Charlie!

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Re^3: PBP in German out of print - solutions?
by shmem (Chancellor) on Sep 13, 2017 at 22:37 UTC
    the book is very good in German

    Matter of taste, I guess, but I gave away my copy of PBP in german. The translation not only bristled my eyebrows, beard, top and bottom hair, but curled up all my nails as well.

    Your colleagues should improve their english to prevent loss of productivity by shitty translations.

    perl -le'print map{pack c,($-++?1:13)+ord}split//,ESEL'
        The joke will even get better after Brexit, since the UK was the only member which claimed English as official language.

        à la prochaine! :)

        Cheers Rolf
        (addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :)
        Je suis Charlie!

        PS: for completeness there are indeed some transformation rules for English <-> German, (consonant shifts) but applies only for at most 30% of vocabulary.

        like th <-> d and so on

      > Your colleagues should improve their english to prevent loss of productivity by shitty translations

      That's a pretty arrogant approach, our working language is German.

      And I've seen far too many native English speakers in this business who only excelled in speaking English and in nothing else.

      And too many stupid German bosses with your attitude supporting them...

      Cheers Rolf
      (addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :)
      Je suis Charlie!

        > Your colleagues should improve their english to prevent loss of productivity by shitty translations

        That's a pretty arrogant approach, our working language is German.

        Our working language is German, too. That's why we force our international clients from the aerospace and medical industry to accept that we only communicate in German, including all of our product documentation. We also force our suppliers to deliver all data sheets and other product documentation, including support, in German language, else we refuse to use their products. It was quite hard to find a supplier for a German C toolchain, but we finally succeeded. That's how our code looks like:

        #einschluß <standardbücherei.kopf> #einschluß <standardeingabeausgabe.kopf> #einschluß <zeichenketten.kopf> ganzezahl hauptprogramm(ganzezahl parameteranzahl, zeichen ** paraemet +erliste) { schreibezeichenkette("Hallo Welt, wir sprechen nur Deutsch!"); funktionsrückgabe 0; }

        Now, we just have to find someone who is able to deliver an ARM-based microcontroller will full German product documentation. Or Z80, perhaps? 8051, anyone? Hell, we would accept a 4004 clone if only the product documentation is in German.

        Best viewed with a good irony detector.

        Alexander

        --
        Today I will gladly share my knowledge and experience, for there are no sweeter words than "I told you so". ;-)
        Hello LanX,

        my first thought was the same of shmem as he expressed it above.

        > That's a pretty arrogant approach, ..

        I cannot see any arrogance from shmem even if he used the shitty adjective related to translations.

        > .. our working language is German.

        Figure mine is Italian (Eatalian)! It is unuseful to hide ourself behind a little finger: computers world is totally dominated by English language. Olivetti loose the game and PC has born in English speaking lands. Amen.

        It is unbelievable that a programmer, a Perl programmer nowadays is unable to read and understand technical documentation in English. I do not say he must able to write and to speak as an English native, but c'mon English is a very simple language to read and understand!

        A stack is a stack and the same is for array and tail call .. what if someone present himself here asking for queue call problem while he meant a tail call one?

        More: we live in shared world and community: in my opinion even sourcecode must be thought in English, directly. What if you find sourcecode in github in Polish? good luck..

        I started coding in Eatalian; it was many years ago: see my second post here (2002) I had to explain a bit the translation of some variable name. I abandoned Eatalian the very same year for source code..

        Now I can read and, somehow, write back a good level english, not everytimes but it seems you understand me, so must not be so bad. Consider I never take a course of English at school nor privately.

        Can I finally assert that English understanding is unavoidable requisite for a programmer? If your coworkers will spend some time/money in English lessons it can be only a positive thing in perspective.

        > And I've seen far too many native English speakers in this business who only excelled in speaking English and in nothing else.

        This is another story, an unrelated one: world is full of stupid people

        > And too many stupid German bosses with your attitude supporting them...

        See above and consider that I cannot see nothing in the shmem answer deserving to be put within stupid German bosses.

        That's it.



        L*

        There are no rules, there are no thumbs..
        Reinvent the wheel, then learn The Wheel; may be one day you reinvent one of THE WHEELS.

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