Re^3: PBP in German out of print - solutions?

[shmem]

the book is very good in German

Matter of taste, I guess, but I gave away my copy of PBP in german. The translation not only bristled my eyebrows, beard, top and bottom hair, but curled up all my nails as well.

Your colleagues should improve their english to prevent loss of productivity by shitty translations.

[perldigious]

Old joke, but still funny. Reminds me of watching Young Frankenstein. :-)

[LanX]

The joke will even get better after Brexit, since the UK was the only member which claimed English as official language.

à la prochaine! :)

PS: for completeness there are indeed some transformation rules for English <-> German, (consonant shifts) but applies only for at most 30% of vocabulary.

like th <-> d and so on

[perldigious]

The US Foreign Service Institute doesn't rank German as particularly hard to learn for native English speakers, but I did note that it gets a whole category all to itself.

[LanX]

> Your colleagues should improve their english to prevent loss of productivity by shitty translations

That's a pretty arrogant approach, our working language is German.

And I've seen far too many native English speakers in this business who only excelled in speaking English and in nothing else.

And too many stupid German bosses with your attitude supporting them...

[afoken]

> Your colleagues should improve their english to prevent loss of productivity by shitty translations

That's a pretty arrogant approach, our working language is German.

Our working language is German, too. That's why we force our international clients from the aerospace and medical industry to accept that we only communicate in German, including all of our product documentation. We also force our suppliers to deliver all data sheets and other product documentation, including support, in German language, else we refuse to use their products. It was quite hard to find a supplier for a German C toolchain, but we finally succeeded. That's how our code looks like:

#einschluß <standardbücherei.kopf>
#einschluß <standardeingabeausgabe.kopf>
#einschluß <zeichenketten.kopf>

ganzezahl hauptprogramm(ganzezahl parameteranzahl, zeichen ** paraemet
+erliste)
{
    schreibezeichenkette("Hallo Welt, wir sprechen nur Deutsch!");
    funktionsrückgabe 0;
}

Now, we just have to find someone who is able to deliver an ARM-based microcontroller will full German product documentation. Or Z80, perhaps? 8051, anyone? Hell, we would accept a 4004 clone if only the product documentation is in German.

Best viewed with a good irony detector.

Alexander

[LanX]

doesn't apply here, but thanks for preaching.

[Discipulus]

Hello LanX,

my first thought was the same of shmem as he expressed it above.

> That's a pretty arrogant approach, ..

I cannot see any arrogance from shmem even if he used the shitty adjective related to translations.

> .. our working language is German.

Figure mine is Italian (Eatalian)! It is unuseful to hide ourself behind a little finger: computers world is totally dominated by English language. Olivetti loose the game and PC has born in English speaking lands. Amen.

It is unbelievable that a programmer, a Perl programmer nowadays is unable to read and understand technical documentation in English. I do not say he must able to write and to speak as an English native, but c'mon English is a very simple language to read and understand!

A stack is a stack and the same is for array and tail call .. what if someone present himself here asking for queue call problem while he meant a tail call one?

More: we live in shared world and community: in my opinion even sourcecode must be thought in English, directly. What if you find sourcecode in github in Polish? good luck..

I started coding in Eatalian; it was many years ago: see my second post here (2002) I had to explain a bit the translation of some variable name. I abandoned Eatalian the very same year for source code..

Now I can read and, somehow, write back a good level english, not everytimes but it seems you understand me, so must not be so bad. Consider I never take a course of English at school nor privately.

Can I finally assert that English understanding is unavoidable requisite for a programmer? If your coworkers will spend some time/money in English lessons it can be only a positive thing in perspective.

> And I've seen far too many native English speakers in this business who only excelled in speaking English and in nothing else.

This is another story, an unrelated one: world is full of stupid people

> And too many stupid German bosses with your attitude supporting them...

See above and consider that I cannot see nothing in the shmem answer deserving to be put within stupid German bosses.

That's it.

L*

[LanX]

At the moment I'm "selling" Perl to non-programmers who can find documentation for other languages (like VB) for free in their native language.

They all speak English, but PBP has >500 pages, if looking up words for each page stops readers for just half a minute in average we are talking about extra costs of at least 4 hours per person multiplied with a 100€ price per hour for the company.

This is not calculating the costs to "discuss" a page in two languages.

I'd rather find a German book from another author then.

Talking about English speakers, if you go to YAPC::EU you will find that the worst presentations are made by "native speakers".

They are so ignorant about the problems to communicate in a foreign language, that they use slang vocabulary, heavy accents and even keep transporting clichés and slurs about other cultures.

In other words: The real conference language is "broken Englsih" and not Cockney.

BTW: Parlo anche italiano.