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Re^2: Monastery login over http

by Anonymous Monk
on Apr 25, 2018 at 17:28 UTC ( #1213545=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to Re: Monastery login over http
in thread Monastery login over http

(Web) technology can not solve the fundamental problem of trust. With hierarchical chain of certificates (control), one would have to tacitly assume the custodians have your best interests in mind.

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Re^3: Monastery login over http
by Your Mother (Bishop) on Apr 25, 2018 at 17:37 UTC

    You seem to be asserting that secure communication online (and perhaps everywhere) is literally impossible and only appears to function through goodwill. Or do I misunderstand?

      Secure communication is possible, the question is who is in control. Abolishing that pesky 'net neutrality' and Let's Encrypt are two faces of the same coin. One will allow — no, not allow, it will obligate — the policing of content#1; the other will allow, in the long run, *all* ports to be locked down so that only certified content can flow.

      Basically, what is (or has been for quite some time now) happening is that the Internet is being upgraded from a dangerous Wild Wild Web place it is today into a Secure, Business-friendly platform of Content and News dissemination.

      Today, any site that potentially hosts media content needs to handle DMCA. Tomorrow, any site that potentially distributes tidings and news, must abide by similar policies so that Fake News (information that runs contrary to prevailing mainline news) can be swiftly corrected. Expect higher moderation costs and/or disabling of Anonymous, etc. Some of those costs may of course be recovered by installing ads and telemetry and so on.

      I know where you stand, Your Mother. After all, you're the one who likened Anonymous Monk to bums in another post.

      #1 But many industries like the Common Carrier model. Not going to be an easy fight.

        Anyone, named or otherwise, who makes baseless, bizarre claims and bloviates without evidence, citations, logic, defense against counter arguments is, uh, well, I wouldn't say "bum" unless I were doing shtick, let's say not bringing value. Your post reads like a pamphlet from The Ministry of Truth. Political winds being what they are, you may yet live long enough to see your true calling become a paid and pensioned position.

        One will allow no, not allow, it will obligate the policing of content

        Most (if not all) ISPs want the protections afforded by "Common Carrier" status, but not the obligations.

        Common Carrier status grants immunity from liability for the content in exchange for carrying all content on a non-discriminatory basis. ISPs want the immunity from liability even when they control the content.

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