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Re^3: Welcoming New Users and Accepting Site Reviews

by Your Mother (Bishop)
on Sep 29, 2018 at 15:40 UTC ( #1223281=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^2: Welcoming New Users and Accepting Site Reviews
in thread Welcoming New Users and Accepting Site Reviews

To be clear: you are right, the site could really use updates on several levels. Thatís given. No one disputes it provided the core functionality does not change. That saidĖ

Youíre still a party crasher who knows nothing about the community or the site or its history and youíre accidentally off-putting because of it. Itís been awhile but the last time I looked at WordPress it was a code midden. A study in worst practices with serious security issues on and off and on again. It succeeds in spite of the mess and the lack of separation of concerns because it has a massive install base, there are hundreds and hundreds of developers, and it has a financial model. Perlmonks has two regular, very part-time devs, with a few more sometimes devs and few more fly-by devs who have commit bits but donít contribute, like me, and no money. WordPress is also a poor example becauseóagain, my opinionóthe PerlMonks code base is not salvageable. Grafting progressive, modernizing changes onto certain kinds of projects only increases complexity and instability; and burns out volunteers.

I wrote a CMS/blog platform in Perl that covers most of the core functionality of WordPress. I did it in one month, alone. Itís been running a couple of sites for about 10 years. Iím a CPAN author. And I am a mediocre JAPH on the PerlMonks totem pole. tobyink has 250 packages on the CPAN alone.

So, youíre trying to school those who know Perl and programming extremely well; a high number of users are professional programmers; some are core contributors; inactive members represent just about all of the Perlsphereís essential hackers; past and present. Youíre talking down to everyone as if this were some kind of script kiddie pool: gIthub and issue tracking and TT2Ö I have patches in Template::Toolkit and CGI.pm among others and I didnít dictate them. There is hardly a monk here who isnít adept at github, perforce, mercurial, CVS, or SVN.

(Who are those who think nobody needs to know and this site does not need any help ?)

Me. Quite a few others. Need != want. I want updates. I want instant voting, WYSIWYG editing preview, some kind of tagging, reverse indexed fast search, more auto-listings, more auto-linking, etc. Itís desire, not need. I come here for Perl discussion and to answer Perl questions, not to bask in HTML5.

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Re^4: Welcoming New Users and Accepting Site Reviews
by LanX (Archbishop) on Sep 29, 2018 at 16:02 UTC
    > my opinionóthe PerlMonks code base is not salvageable

    I disagree, but I don't want to contribute more to this messy thread.

    Cheers Rolf
    (addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
    Wikisyntax for the Monastery FootballPerl is like chess, only without the dice

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