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Re: Perl 11

by RonW (Parson)
on Oct 24, 2018 at 19:55 UTC ( #1224609=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Perl 11

cperl is interesting, but how long will the effort be kept up? With every new release of perl, a growing stack of patches have to be adapted and applied.

Conceptually, I like it. From a practical point of view, it seems most of its advantages require coding for cperl, rather than as a performance enhanced runtime alternative to perl.

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Re^2: Perl 11
by Anonymous Monk on Oct 24, 2018 at 20:28 UTC
    cperl is interesting, but how long will the effort be kept up?

    cperl has been around for ~7 years (2012) and the last 4 commits are only 5 days old:

    69,204 commits
    155 branches
    320 releases
    433 contributors

    There are many stable releases and, as I understand it, the author has a point to prove about p5p (perl11.org/blog/p5p-incompetence.html). I think it's safe to say this fork of Perl is here to stay.

    From a practical point of view, it seems most of its advantages require coding for cperl, rather than as a performance enhanced runtime alternative to perl.

    AFAIK cperl is 99% compatible with CPAN, rperl is the "re-strict-ed" one: twitter.com/rperlcompiler

      as I understand it, the author has a point to prove about p5p

      Maybe, but Reini has been unable to communicate that point without being personally abusive, so p5p doesn't want to work with him.

        I trust the diligence and competency of the p5p over a single author who's nature is attack-if-questioned, any day.

        That's life in general, generally.

        The title of the linked blog post says it all, really.

        He's highly skilled, passionate about Perl and desperate about the current situation.

        Actually I see parallels between both of you.

        Cheers Rolf
        (addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
        Wikisyntax for the Monastery FootballPerl is like chess, only without the dice

        I have a lot of respect for both of you (Chromatic and Stevieb) and suspect you're far better informed on these issues, but I feel like Flavio Poletti when he said, "P5P outsider here ... I didn't see abusing, only discussion on technical merits. Is the reference to the CoC actually referring to some other discussion, or maybe to some moderation applied to that thread? I genuinely don't know." in blogs.perl.org/users/rurban/2016/04/the-removal-of-the-lexical-topic-feature-in-524.html (with no reply)

        Kicking a genius out of p5p and off blogs.perl.org for technical criticism of other people's work is shameful and deeply offends my understanding of freedom of speech. We would be better off if p5p was a ferocious sharktank of adult concepts rather than a kindergarten of childish hurt feelings. While cooperation is necessary, some competition is also healthy, and justified criticism should lead to self-improvement--and of course that goes BOTH ways (as we see in SOPW every day, or at least, every other day :) On the other hand there are claims of inaccuracies, however the opportunity to justify THAT claim was suspiciously renounced, in the last comment here: blogs.perl.org/users/rurban/2016/04/overview-of-current-maintainer-fails.html

        I don't know enough to take a side, except the side of Perl. Maybe he needed time-out like Linus did, or maybe some snowflakes need to stop melting when light hits them. I do know that Reini is a very intelligent, informative and amusing Perl-critic on brutal mode: perl11.org/blog/cperl-is-not-a-religion.html

        It would be wonderful to see some sort of reconciliation and reunification of Perl's best minds to help propel it into the 21st century, and beyond. Developments in Perl seems to be approaching a critical mass for a glorious future. I wish Larry would take control of Perl 5 for a bit just to set things straight and heal the community.

        Peace, Love & Perl!

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