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Perl DBI and Foreign Keys

by Marshall (Abbot)
on Apr 08, 2019 at 02:28 UTC ( #1232264=perlquestion: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

Marshall has asked for the wisdom of the Perl Monks concerning the following question:

This question involves both Perl DBI and SQL.
I don't know how to implement a correct SQL write to multiple tables using a Foreign Key where the foreign key is unknown until after the first table is written (i.e the Foreign Key is a DB AUTOINCREMENT value) in the primary table).

I did sucessfully implement an approach similar to a Foreign Key in an SQLite DB using Perl.
Let me attempt to explain further with some abreviated code:

$dbh->do ("CREATE TABLE ScoreCard ( id integer PRIMARY KEY AUTOINCREMENT, Url varchar(80) NOT NULL, DateTime varchar(20) DEFAULT '1995-12-30 00:00:0 +1', Description varchar(80) NOT NULL ); "); $dbh->do ("CREATE TABLE Participants ( id integer PRIMARY KEY AUTOINCREMENT, Url varchar(80) NOT NULL REFERENCES ScoreCar +d(Url) ON DELETE CASCADE, Name varchar(10) NOT NULL ); ");
In the above structures, I used the "Url" as the psuedo "foreign key" between tables.
Each Scorcard has at least one and perhaps many particpants.
The "Url" for each ScoreCard is unique. So I used that for entries into the Participants table.
The Url "http://blah/blah/page1289" would be entered 9 times into the Participants table for 9 Names related to that ScoreCard.

The logical link between the tables would be the integer "id" of the ScoreCard entry. Url doesn't have to be in the Participants table. But how would I know this id for the Particpants write? There is a DBI method: "last_insert_id" but there are a lot of DB specific caveats for that method.

Hints about how to go about this would be appreciated!

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Re: Perl DBI and Foreign Keys
by dsheroh (Prior) on Apr 08, 2019 at 07:57 UTC
    $dbh->last_insert_id is generally the way to go, despite the caveats which seem to be putting you off. Unless you're trying to write something that's compatible with multiple database backends, you don't need to worry about them, you only have to make it work with the database you're using. (And if you are trying to target multiple db engines, you probably want to use a higher-level abstraction on top of DBI anyway, so that you don't have to deal with the inconsistencies of SQL syntax from one db engine to the next.)

    If you really don't think you can accept working with last_insert_id, then there's also the option of doing your insert, then SELECT id FROM Participants WHERE Url = $the_url_i_just_inserted, since you say the url is unique, but it seems a bit wasteful to do that extra query when last_insert_id is sitting right there, just waiting to be used for this exact purpose.

      Thanks!
      I wanted to hear from somebody who had used this function.
      My target DB's are MySQL and SQLite. If I have code that works with both of those DB's, I'm fine.
      It appears that last_insert_id will work with both of these DB's.

      I did consider the write, then read back to get the auto id, but that is rather goofy sounding and may not be possible in certain situations.

      I'm starting a new project using SQlite. The DB access is just a tiny part, but an important part.

        And if you do not like last_insert_id, you can always build an index generator yourself, like max( index_column ) + 1.

        I wanted to hear from somebody who had used this function. My target DB's are MySQL and SQLite.
        In that case, since it wasn't explicitly stated before: I have personally used last_insert_id with both MySQL and SQLite.
Re: Perl DBI and Foreign Keys
by poj (Abbot) on Apr 08, 2019 at 07:03 UTC
    The "Url" for each ScoreCard is unique

    Use that to query the auto generated id

    my ($id) = $dbh->selectrow_array ( 'SELECT id FROM ScoreCard WHERE Url = ?',undef,$Url);

    Update ; Perhaps also add UNIQUE KEY `URL` (`Url`) to your table ScoreCard create.

    poj
      Yes, of course that occured to me.
      {write ScoreCard, readback ScoreCard for that Url to get the unique id, write Participants, write Participants, write Participants, etc.}

      So what happens if I don't have a unique field like Url?
      In this case, I ScoreCard table did and I of course I used it to allow the tables to be joined.
      My application works...but, I am curious how to do this better and in other circumstances.

      Update: Perhaps think about it this way..I have a piece of paper A. It is like any other piece of paper that I have except that this particular piece of paper is associated with the finger prints from people X,Y,Z. I have other pieces of paper with other fingerprints. In this case the only thing that is unique about this piece of paper is that is a thing from a crime scene (will get evidence label of #1, #2,etc) on the bag. I asked this question to some Oracle gurus and there is a way to do this, but it is not standard SQL.

        Well, there must be some piece of information that is the same in both tables. Otherwise, why would you even think about linking those tables? If not you need to create such a link, say a time stamp or a case number.

        If you have such a piece of information, you could put it in a third table, with AUTOINCREMENT index, and then use that index in both tables with the data.

Re: Perl DBI and Foreign Keys
by erix (Parson) on Apr 08, 2019 at 13:00 UTC

    Postgres has a RETURNING clause on the INSERT/UPDATE/DELETE statements ([1],[2]) which returns the inserted/updated/deleted values. Very handy.

    Oracle and Firebird can do something similar.

    Maybe lodge a complaint featurerequest with the MySql/MariaDB devs?

    [1] - PostgreSQL INSERT

    [2] - RETURNING

Re: Perl DBI and Foreign Keys
by bliako (Vicar) on Apr 08, 2019 at 10:32 UTC

    This may not be practical, but: do not tell the DB to create an autoincrement id for you. Instead give each new table an id YOU create and guaranteed to be unique. That will create you extra headaches: checking if the id you generated already exists in db, unless the generating algorithm guarantees no collisions given different table data. A random number generator does not guarantee uniqueness. How about creating such an id from millisecond time of insertion plus an autoincrement in case there are more than 1 insertions per millisecond. That wont work if you have more than 1 user entering data in parallel, unless you create an "autoincrement server" which is overkill.

      This may not be practical, but: do not tell the DB to create an autoincrement id for you. Instead give each new table an id YOU create and guaranteed to be unique.

      That's commonly called a sequence and is often implemented in the DB server, guaranteed to deliver unique IDs under all circumstances.

      Other DB servers offer only an automatic ID generator, and for that, you need to use last_insert_id in DBI (see SELECT LAST_INSERT_ID does not work).


      Related: Some very common errors (or, if you want to be polite, misconceptions):

      The ID generated by either of these mechanisms is JUST THAT. A unique value.

      • In any usage scenario with more than one user and/or more than one process/thread and/or more than one CPU core, the next ID is not predictable.
      • The ID is not a sort criteria.
      • IDs are commonly set up to increment by one for each use. But that's an inplementation detail. They could also be set up to return multiples of seven starting from a ridiculously large positive number and going down to ridiculously large negative number. The returned IDs would still be unique. The bits from such a sequence could even be shuffled around so that any returned ID looks completely random (but still is unique).
      • The numeric sequence of used IDs may have gaps, some times big gaps, e.g. after rolling back transactions. This is intentionally and by design to guarantee uniqueness. It does not hurt. It does not waste anything. Trying to fill those gaps is an error. The IDs in those gaps were once used, filling the gaps would reuse IDs and make them non-unique.

      Alexander

      --
      Today I will gladly share my knowledge and experience, for there are no sweeter words than "I told you so". ;-)

        really useful to know, thanks, bliako

      The DB will create a unique id for each row whether I tell it do that or not. When I do an INSERT and then ask: my $cur_id = $dbh->last_insert_id; the DB gives me an id for my $dbh connection handle. This will work even if there are multiple writers to the DB. I should not increment that number or screw around with it in any way - it could be that 14 more inserts have happened in the meantime. This id number will be for the last insert that my connection did. I can use that number to write (INSERT) additional rows into another table within the DB. If I run the initial write and then id query and subsequent writes all as one transaction, then in theory with an ACID compliant DB, all will be fine. In practice that is not true because of the way the hardware works - different subject...

      There is no easier way to get a unique number than to ask the DB to do it for you. This avoids all sorts of complications like you mentioned. "autoincrement" does not mean that my id numbers, for my connection will be sequential. This just tells the DB to generate these numbers on its own.

        I agree, but you were concerned about the caveats of that approach, that's all.

        The DB will create a unique id for each row whether I tell it do that or not.

        I am under the impression that if a field is not AUTO_INCREMENT then it expects you to fill its value or it will take its default value if any.

        I like this article: https://medium.com/ingeniouslysimple/why-did-we-shift-away-from-database-generated-ids-7e0e54a49bb3

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