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Perlmonks and Timeouts

by Superlman (Pilgrim)
on Dec 07, 2001 at 00:24 UTC ( #130054=monkdiscuss: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

Over the past week, I've noticed that all attempts to browse the site time out over 80% of the time for me. It's rather tedious when simple actions such as voting or checking a new node take several minutes because you have to try multiple times.

Is there a problem on my end? Has anyone else notice this? Is there a cause? Is it permanent?

Just curious...

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(tye)Re: Perlmonks and Timeouts
by tye (Sage) on Dec 07, 2001 at 00:49 UTC

    Recently, the biggest problem I've noticed is that the ad banners have often been slow to load. When using NetScape, this can cause the entire page to be slow to appear. That still doesn't sound like it is enough to explain your problem, however.

    I've also heard reports from others about intermediate network nodes causing delays and lost packets. I suspect this is the main source of your problem. Try using traceroute (if you've got it, aka tracert under Win32) to www.perlmonks.org and see if there is a spot where the round-trip time sometimes jumps up or you start seeing packet loss.

    If the problem is close enough to you, then you might be able to complain to your ISP (or just change ISPs). If it is more in the middle, then someone else is probably already complaining and the problem will probably get resolve itself in a week or two (either by fixing the problem or people routing around it).

    Also, the site continues to get busier. Lately that means (to me and assuming that these times are not mostly due to network problems, which they don't appear to be, but I haven't tried to prove that) that it often takes several seconds to display a page, especially a complex page like Newest Nodes. But I doubt this has much to do with your problem and only mention it for the sake of completeness. (:

            - tye (but my friends call me "Tye")
Re: Perlmonks and Timeouts
by George_Sherston (Vicar) on Dec 07, 2001 at 17:10 UTC
    Whatever the technical detail of what's preciptiating a particular outage, the root problem is almost certainly that Perlmonks is such a great site it gets a lot of use. Well, as we know, Perl is optimised for developer time rather than CPU, memory or anything else... so the solution to that problem is
    $RAM->buy('more');
    ... and how can this happen? Why, by monks following this link.

    George Sherston
Re: Perlmonks and Timeouts
by kwoff (Friar) on Dec 07, 2001 at 01:52 UTC
    The site does seem generally more sluggish to me. Several times when I logged in I let it spin for 1.5 minutes. Then I clicked Stop and tried logging in and it loaded in about 5-10 seconds. The pages are generally taking long enough that I tend to open another browser tab to surf another page while things load. At the moment, however, the site is responding okay.
Re: Perlmonks and Timeouts
by boo_radley (Parson) on Dec 08, 2001 at 02:39 UTC
    If you're logged in, you get bandwidth assigned to you by your level. Us saints can't have you lesser ranked monks wasting our time.
      Shhhh!

      don't tell 'em that - lessen they figure out we also don't have to pay for our home internet connections!

Re: Perlmonks and Timeouts
by jlongino (Parson) on Dec 09, 2001 at 04:02 UTC
    I can concur with Tye in saying that the problem is most likely because you are using NS and access to the site where the banner ads are stored experiences problems (bandwidth or otherwise) from time to time. You can confirm this easily by clicking the stop button after loading a page before allowing it to time out (be sure to wait at least 8-10 seconds). My guess is that the entire page will show up except for the banner ad. Granted, unusual things happen occasionally at PM but those are rare in my experience.

    I have found that IE 6+ does not behave the same way (due to a caching strategy perhaps), but then I don't like IE and have decided to live with the occasional glitches. Either that or begrudgingly use IE temporarily.

    --Jim

Re: Perlmonks and Timeouts
by beretboy (Chaplain) on Dec 10, 2001 at 00:55 UTC
    yeah I am also having this problem, I know how to fix it though, it is called Monestary Offering Plate.

    "Sanity is the playground of the unimaginative" -Unknown
Re: Perlmonks and Timeouts
by Foo::Bar (Acolyte) on Dec 11, 2001 at 11:10 UTC
    Well...I've never had the site timeout on me but it does seem to take longer to laod than any other site I visit on a regular basis. At first I thought it was the banner ads but when I visit:

    http://216.200.201.212/~adfu/servfu.pl?l,perlmonks,3809

    (which appears to be the layer src for the banner here) it loads very fast. I suspect the problem is just that theses pages are all 100% dynamic and the server requires more memory...mod_perl likes to eat RAM ;-)
Re: Perlmonks and Timeouts
by Harme (Initiate) on Dec 11, 2001 at 00:54 UTC
    Mine does not time out. It does take awhile to bring up links, but I am guessing that that is because this whole page is written in perl. nothing static. Very server intensive. but that wouldn't cause your timeouts. If that were the case, then everybody would be getting timeouts. and it would be worse when more people are on it.

    -M
Re: Perlmonks and Timeouts
by tradez (Pilgrim) on Dec 11, 2001 at 03:42 UTC
    Maybe its a mod_perl issue. OH my god, did I just utter those words. Please don't banish me from the monistary Gates for uttering one of the scariest words to any true perl coder. If you are like me, that like module has kept you up many nights righting code that is so insanely tight just to gain a few secs to the end user's "experience". Hahah

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