Re: am I paying vroom to continue his dictatorship?

[vroom]

First off not a dime from the offering plate or YAS has ever or will ever go to pay for my work on the site.

However, if he is now part of YAS and receiving money from them

Secondly, PM is a part of YAS. I am not. They don't own me. Nor do I receive money from them

When YAS was talking with us about the possibility of slurping up PM they didn't want to change the way the site was managed because by and large it works. They wanted to make contributions tax deductible and tap into several different areas for fostering Perl development.

YAS also provides a better caretaker for PM than perhaps a nice company that wants to see the site succeed but is spending money rather than making money on it. One of YAS's goals is to promote Perl and Open Source development.

I'm not sure what you're looking for out of this site. At the very least it's provided you a forum to state your problems with how it is run. That's a lot more than you'd get as a lot of places.

The U.S. has a representative democracy because it works better than a true democracy. If everyone had a vote on everything things tend to rapidly degenerate. The person or group who is the most convincing/charismatic/talks the loudest will be able to sway a large portion of the vote. Lack of consistent vision/direction is likely to cause more problems in the end. I'm guessing the founding fathers thought about this. This is also probably why Larry hasn't put a vote on perl.com to decide which features will go into Perl 6.

I'd be happy to take nominations for someone else to take over the /reig?ns/ of the site. Hell, I nominate jcwren he's got a whole lot more time to code up cool PM-related stuff than I do it seems. We can all vote on it. I'd probably end up winning because of my mind control powers as a fiendish cult leader but I digress.

[Necos]

Personally, I believe the originator of this discussion is on some really good drugs. Before I became a member of PM this year, I just silently read the posts, hoping to increase my knowledge of Perl (which has been quite successful). However, when my boss came to me and asked me to write some applications that had requirements beyond my (at the time) knowledge of Perl, I knew this was the place to seek the wisdom of those that have been using Perl for years. When I posted questions, there were some that said: "Blech!!! Win32!!! You're a loser!!!" On the other hand, most replies were incredibly constructive, and helped me build the applications that were required of me.

I don't believe that this site should be changed one bit (in terms of 'ownership,' etc.). The engine ain't broke, so don't fix it. I think most would agree that we are thankful vroom, japhy, merlyn, tye and some of the more famous monks work to provide us not only answers to some of our more obscure questions, but a place for us to discuss them in a mature fashion.

Thanks again for allowing the community to use and contribute to PerlMonks,
Necos

[vladb]

I don't know where princepawn was coming from, but it seems childish almost to a good laugh the way he puts it "reign over this site" and another one "dictatorship". I had commented on his somewhat out of line post once and therefore wouldn't turn this one into a chance to repeat myself. However, I'd like to take this opportunity to simply say that this site fulfills it's purpose by and large. I'm a perl hacker for some time and it is my greatest pleasure to be a part of this community that has been built around this site.

YAS was definitely right by supporting www.perlmonks.org. For one, I know that this site and a great number of intelligent and selfless monks has drawn me closer to Perl. Say, I haven't spotted a single question that has been posted to this site and that didn't receive due attention. It almost seems like if one were to put every single question/response on this site together, it would amount to volumes of very indispensible information on Perl and it's techniques.

There's more that I could say, and only a few things that could be said and that would be completely wrong (in judgement etc).



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