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Google top hits for "perl"

by japh (Friar)
on Jan 15, 2002 at 11:06 UTC ( #138834=monkdiscuss: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

The top ten hits for 'perl' at Google:

Perl.com: The Source for Perl
www.perl.com/perl/
Perl Mongers
CPAN
ActiveState
TPJ Magazine
UF/NA Perl Archive
perl.com: What's New in Perlland?
Apache/Perl Integration Project
XML.com: XML From the Inside Out
use Perl
Perl Archive
The Monastery Gates

Perlmonks.org doesn't make the first page, but is number 13. Google's ranking is largely affected by how many other pages point at this site, so add links where you can. We certainly deserve to be ranked higher on this particular search than xml dot com. Do any of you web types have suggestions about improving the behind-the-scenes content of the front page to help?

(might we put 'Perlmonks' in the page title?)

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Re: Google
by Chrisf (Friar) on Jan 15, 2002 at 11:19 UTC
    As you said, placing something with 'Perl' such as "Perlmonks" in the title would help (so would links), but I don't think Search Engine rankings are that important.

    Most members (especially the ones that stick around and contribute) don't look for these types of sites in a search engine. It's usually either recommended to them or they find it from a link in some other perl-related publication (articles, Learning Perl, etc.)

    Not that there's anything wrong with having a good search engine ranking (or is there?), I just don't think it's as important as most people make it out to be.

Re: Google top hits for "perl"
by little (Curate) on Jan 15, 2002 at 21:29 UTC
    He he,
    putting perlmonks into the title might seem ok but will only suffice if the search bots look for "is /can be part of other words" which they apparently don't do by default.
    But there are meta-tags that could be added (only on "The Monastery Gates" page). Look at the source of the page you get when you hit perl.com or perl.org and you'll see:
    <META name="description" content="The official Perl home page, run by +O'Reilly. Contains documentation, news, and links to a variety of res +ources, including the Open Source Perl conference." /> <META name="keywords" content="o'reilly network,o'reilly,perl,perl dev +elopers,perl programming,software,learning perl,programming perl,regu +lar expressions,perl algorithms,perl 5, mod_perl,perl for win32,open +source" />

    Just overlooking it I count ten times the word "perl" and only once "mod_perl".
    Search engines examine title, description, keywords, and Content. But if you look at perlmonks.org (or .com's) site how often do you find the word "perl"?grin
    I counted alike 3 times.
    Well if a search bot is rather smart than he will exclude double links, as for example Cool uses for Perl at the top and in any other place at the same document.
    Note, "The Monastery Gates" is the only place to add these meta-tags as the major search bots will not follow links to scripts. This problem has also been discussed regarding how to find nodes at perlmonks.org using a search engine as google for example.
    Can anyone remember the node? Sorry, as I remember a fellow monk set up a "static" mirror of a lot of perlmonks nodes to make them searcheable. Sincere excuse to the unnamed, but I simply forgot.

    Have a nice day
    All decision is left to your taste

    Update
    Thanks blakem, which is now not unnamed anymore, for poiting to his node about Making perlmonks seach engine friendly.
Re: Google
by TomK32 (Monk) on Jan 15, 2002 at 20:38 UTC
    Personally I'm happy if Perlmonks ain't among the top hits, because otherwise a lot of newbies and 1337 h43r5 might come to this site and Nodereaper will be busy all day'n'night :-(

    The more populate your are the more crazy and stupid dudes will annoy you.

    --
    paco for president
    TomK32 - just a geek trying to change the world

      Personally I think it would be great if the site got more newbies. Better they come here than decide Perl is just too hard, and they head to Matt's Script Archive for a premade solution that may be trivially broken or insecure.

      As to the script-using young persons, it would be great if they came around here, too. They might hear first-hand about the joys of running afoul of computer laws. They might be subjected to peer pressure that turns them from cheap crackers into serious hackers. And they might accidentally help us learn what they are up to, thus making us more able to defend against them.

      As far as I know, PM has had very few serious problems with individuals acting outside the bounds of common sense or decency, and that's just an ongoing issue in any community. But I don't think the barriers to entry would have or will stop such as these. I know I'll be adding Perl Monks links on my websites when I do the next major site revisions...
Re: Google top hits for "perl"
by vroom (Pope) on Jan 19, 2002 at 00:36 UTC
    Changed the title to "Perl Monks - The Monastery Gates" and added some meta keywords and description for people w/o a custom node title format, ie web-spiders in theory.
Re: Google top hits for "perl"
by redsquirrel (Hermit) on Jan 16, 2002 at 00:23 UTC
    If you want 'Perl Monks' to appear closer to the top of the Google search for 'perl', you need to change the <title> of the front page to include 'Perl' as a standalone word. It also helps to have the word 'Perl' high up in the body of the page. Looks like the first appearance of 'Perl' as a standalone word isn't until the 'Cool Uses For Perl' link.

    I've had some success on getting my personal page first on the Google search for 'dave hoover'. The <title> tag is key.

    --Dave

      So you suggest changing The Monastery Gates into The Monastery Gates to Perl in the  <title>-tag?
      I would support that as its a rather small looking change, but doesn't Everything always insert the node title?

      Have a nice day
      All decision is left to your taste
        The Perl-y Gates   (since nobody else said it. :)

          p
        I don't know if 'The Monastery Gates to Perl' would be the best choice, but yes, putting 'Perl' in there somewhere is important if you want a higher Google ranking for 'Perl' searches.

        A few other options:

        • Perl Monks - The Monastery Gates
        • The Monastery Gates - Perl Monks
        • The Monastery Gates - <some standard monk slogan containing the word 'Perl'>

        HTH

        --Dave

Re: Google top hits for "perl"
by n3dst4 (Scribe) on Jan 16, 2002 at 00:09 UTC
    The actual wording in the top-right of the titlebar (below the monk pictures) says "Perl Monks", not "Perlmonks". It would quite permissible to give the page a title including "Perl Monks" as two words - I think that's what Vroom probably meant all along.

    The search-engines-versus-GET-variables thing is a failry deep problem with Everything. I wonder how hard it would be to get the engine to understand /-delimited fields? Default behaviour for most webservers is to serve the request for the first existing file in the request path, even if there are other trailing components. So we could go to http://perlmonks.org/index.pl/node_id=51515/lastnode_id=09876 and Gooogle would happily index it.

Re: Google top hits for "perl"
by darobin (Monk) on Jan 23, 2002 at 01:13 UTC

    I'm all for Perl Monks appearing higher in Google search but xml.com definitely has its place in the list. Kip Hampton holds an excellent Perl and XML monthly column there which is 1) an excellent place for beginners (and less beginners) to find out about Perl, 2) very good publicity for Perl to XML crowd, 3) very goog publicity for XML to Perl crowds.

    Three good reasons for it to "deserve" to be sitting there . People point to those articles because they are good and helpful to Perlians.

    -- darobin

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