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Re: Re (tilly) 3: Certification Foo

by ignatz (Vicar)
on Jan 25, 2002 at 21:31 UTC ( #141551=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to Re (tilly) 3: Certification Foo
in thread Certification Foo

Many Many years ago Activestate was the group that made it possible for me to get Perl on my little windows compooter. I love them for that. I even love the fact that they are working with Microsoft on the whole .ASP and Visual Studio thing. That's all good. BUT...

(Excuse the long rant)
...don't mess with the Perl installer. There's nowhere that it says that I have to pay for ASPN when I see the link in the install. Only by drilling down on some web page does it show you the c.$500 pricetag. How many clueless newbies will see that and go, "Oh shoot! I have to pay for Perl?" When I see an installer that asks for registration and takes me to a page to get a key after I pay them I bail. There should be NO confusion that Perl is FREE. Totally FREE. They are messing with that. How long before PPM2 isn't offered and the only way I can use it is with ASPN? They have already done that with Komodo. DOHH!!! Just got used to it? Now you have to pay. Sorry Charlie. I love activestate's involvement with the community, but don't abuse it. That's all I'm saying.

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Re^5: Certification Foo
by Aristotle (Chancellor) on Jan 26, 2002 at 00:05 UTC
    Building commercial success on free software is a minefield.. for both sides. I think in the long run business models will have to shift away from selling software for it to work. I have no idea exactly how.. but someone will figure out something that works gracefully, I'm sure. Unless of course, the DMCA and cousins have made writing free software in itself a mine field by then..

    Makeshifts last the longest.

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[choroba]: Wait a second. Does shutting down mean the cpan clients can no longer use their urllist?
[usemodperl]: i'm under no obligation to explain myself mommy, and i'm not insisting, just asking a simple question
[Veltro]: So, I'm confused on the matter actually. There are locked-down computers, but they need updates. How does that work? Isn't that contradictary?
[usemodperl]: EXACTLY
[usemodperl]: and the https only situation makes it even worse
[Veltro]: How is that 'exactly'. Locked-down means you don't change or update. So why do you need to access CPAN?
[Corion]: choroba: Heh - I think that's an interesting situation - you can't bootstrap a vanilla Perl then via CPAN, as IO::Socket::SSL is not in core, but also can't be installed from a cpan client. You need a wget/curl with SSL built-in to do that :)
[usemodperl]: i was thinking of forcing something like to proxy from meta but they seem all https too :-/
[usemodperl]: why are you so obsessed with why i wanna know why i can't download from cpan via http anymore which break all aosrts of stuff you dont need to understand?
[usemodperl]: (Veltro :-)

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