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RE: RE: (5) Replies and previews (Ozymandias: The wonders of free choice)

by Abigail (Deacon)
on Jul 16, 2000 at 12:25 UTC ( #22763=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to RE: (5) Replies and previews (Ozymandias: The wonders of free choice)
in thread Replies and previews.

Let me see. There's a section devoted to discussing this site. I put up a note suggesting a small change to an already existing page, and that's "demands" and "wimps".

Oh well. Bye.

-- Abigail

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Re: Replies and previews (In Memoriam Abigail)
by jmcnamara (Monsignor) on Mar 16, 2001 at 14:57 UTC

    In Memoriam Abigail

    So. Farewell then

    Of the eternal

    Your code was

    But so was your

    E.J. Monk (5)

    After Private Eye

RE: RE: RE: (5) Replies and previews (Ozymandias: The wonders of free choice)
by Adam (Vicar) on Jul 18, 2000 at 04:40 UTC
    I think Abigail that you are over-reacting. Ozymandias was not writing a flame, but trying to point out (as gracefully as he could) that you ought to read the site documentation before registering complaints. No one has said that you shouldn't make suggestions for site improvement, but you should at least wait until you know what the site already has to offer.


    I know that Abigail has already left, but I think it is a great loss to the Perl Monks that such an experienced Perl programmer has departed. If anyone has Abigail's e-mail address I think we should send a letter inviting Abigail to return.

RE: RE: RE: (5) Replies and previews (Ozymandias: The wonders of free choice)
by awwaiid (Friar) on Jul 18, 2000 at 05:24 UTC

    Abigail, in the case that you decide to return, I just wanted to say a couple things. First, I really liked both of your suggestions, especially the second one (which is one I was planning on commenting on eventually as well). Ozymandias post did seem quite brutal to me also, and I don't appreciate some of the comments and judgements they made, nor do I wish for you to think that the thinking represents every monk here. No one monk does.

    I have only been here for a little longer than you have. So far the experience here has been great, its a neat envioronment. I noticed your posts right away, and since then any time I see a node with "--Abigail" at the end I always make sure to go back and read it again to make sure I realized all the complexities. I wouldn't have even posted to Obfuscation at all if it hadn't been for seeing some of your posts and being inspired.

    So... I just wanted to share. I morn your departure... and hope to celebrate your return.

      awwaiid, perhaps you didn't read any of this thread. It doesn't look like it.

      Abigail's first point is invalid; what she's asking for is already covered by the current functionality of the site. Adding exactly what she was asking for would be a task for vroom that would eat away time better spent on other site problems.

      I and many of the others agreed in part with the second point.

      And finally: Abigail is a well-known Perl coder. I wish she were willing to give us and all the new Monks the benefit of her experience. But I and several other monks were insulted by the manner in which she made her "suggestions." She didn't read the site documentation. She refused to consider that popular opinion might disagree with her opinion. And when other monks attempted to correct her more gently, she was arrogant and abusive. It's not my job nor my responsibility to police the actions of others on this site, but I will not sit by and watch someone - no matter who they might be - be so abusive.

      I fully expect to lose XP on this node. So be it. But be honest for just one moment... if some newbie named Perl_Is_My_Bitch came in and posted a node like Abigail's - would you be complaining about their treatment?

      - email Ozymandias

        Hey... I read the thread :). I honestly didn't think she intended her comments to be complaints or demands, but wrather suggestions. She did use the word "Furthermore", which set the tone to be arrogant, like you say. Still... I don't know, it just seemed like you came down kind of hard on her, thats all.

        And I still think her first idea was "valid". She made the comment about the chatterbox note being one time, and you took it to mean that she thought it would dissapear instantly, like the other messages. My interpretation was more along the lines of it being one time meaning as soon as you cliked it and it was gone... it is gone. I think it would be cool to see the number of replies in the writeups list. It would give another measurement to the thread beyond Reputation. Know what I mean?

        Anyway... sorry for yelling at (about) you. I was mainly shocked that she left... it was the first negative encounter I've ever witnessed here. And maybe this just isn't the kind of environment that Abigail was interested in.

        Oh... and I never vote down a well-formed, intelligent argument :)


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