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Re: Re: Re(2): Lesson Taught

by shotgunefx (Parson)
on Feb 23, 2003 at 09:26 UTC ( #237872=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re: Re(2): Lesson Taught
in thread Teach him a lesson with facts

The first benchmark was from a linux 2.2 kernal running 5.6.0 with an Intel Celeron 400MHZ with 256MB.

On a ultrasparc 10 running linux 2.2 with 256 MB (5.6.1) I get similar results...
Benchmark: timing 5 iterations of int_iterate, iterate, lex_iterate... int_iterate: 14 wallclock secs (14.19 usr + 0.12 sys = 14.31 CPU) @ +0.35/s (n=5) iterate: 53 wallclock secs (52.45 usr + 0.15 sys = 52.60 CPU) @ 0 +.10/s (n=5) lex_iterate: 47 wallclock secs (47.03 usr + 0.11 sys = 47.14 CPU) @ +0.11/s (n=5) s/iter iterate lex_iterate int_iterate iterate 10.5 -- -10% -73% lex_iterate 9.43 12% -- -70% int_iterate 2.86 268% 229% --
Regardless... what does this actually mean? Not much. The iteration test isn't usually what the problem is. Usually it's all the stuff in-between that is the bottleneck and how fast the turn-around time is. It to me is a useless metric... (unless you're writing a video driver or such.) I think it's a case of not seeing the forest through the trees. If I was making a renderer or such that needed low-level speed I would just use XS or Inline, but the biggest thing for me is, how quick can I get a job done and how quick can I implement changes and to me Perl fits the bill perfectly.

-Lee

"To be civilized is to deny one's nature."

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Re: Re: Re: Re(2): Lesson Taught
by Anonymous Monk on Feb 23, 2003 at 17:46 UTC
    I believe your results, but my PC does floating really quick, and as you can see it is that much close to integer, which I believe it is doing floating using hardware not software, because I have such hardware installed.

    Just to quickly point out something. The loop is not my purpose either. The original purpose to have the loop there is to make the testing result comparable.

    If I don't have the loop there, all three result would be 0.

    Loop is just a way to help gather results, just as what timthese and cmpthese do. This part actually has been misunderstood. And we both understand/saw that, online communities lots of times follow emotion more than logic.

    If we are talking face to face, we will do it slowly and carefully. But when you do it online, especially a community like this one, where lots of people weigh XP point too much, they started to jump on each other quickly and hit the most soft part of each other's body, as long as it gives them XP point, they don't really mind what they are actually talking.

    I am not pointing to you, absolutely not. I say this to you, simply because I see you as someone reasonable.

    I see the XP point system as really harmful, and it makes lots of people mentally sick.
      "Just to quickly point out something. The loop is not my purpose either. The original purpose to have the loop there is to make the testing result comparable."

      I'm probably pissing into the wind in this thread but the point about the loop test is that it's not representitive of Perl on the whole and there is always an example that will match a point of view.

      But even if it was representitive of overall execution speed, execution speed is generally only a small factor in application development. For most software 1 second versus 2 seconds is easily offset by ease of use, development time and many other factors.

      As far as the emotion of some of the posts, well this is a site devoted to Perl. If someone went to Javajunkies and gave a C > Perl > Java argument, I bet you would get the same reaction. You don't go to someones's house and attack them and argue about how much better your X is than their X and expect a balanced, level-headed argument. Might as well go to a catholic church and debate abortion. It's just not the appropriate place.

      -Lee

      "To be civilized is to deny one's nature."
        LOL, I am a troll, and you are absolutely a troll feeder ;-) Did they down vote you? I guess they up voted you, because your good attitude...

        Never mind.

        Obviously the wording of my very first post is quite strong. To be frank, I am not stupid enough to take a loop testing as a silver bullet to kill Perl. More importantly I don't want to kill Perl, and to be more realistic, why should I and can I?

        I can understand this is a Perl community and there is no such thing on the earth as absolutely fair and balanced...

        Again to be frank, if I am a troll, I only take 50% percent responsibility for that very first post. Who should take the other 50%? those trolls of a different kind. It is their ignorant towards computer science, provoked me, and made me decided to shock them.

        If you find some one is seriously sick, you want to give them strong medicines.

        I am happy that we managed to have a more tech discussion both in this sub-thread and that sub-thread with adrianh and pg.

        I really loved your benchmark, and the facts it revealed. Thank you for sharing it with me.

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