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Re: Re: Re: Emacs, Elisp and PerlMonks

by Anonymous Monk
on Mar 22, 2003 at 18:49 UTC ( #245194=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re: Re: Emacs, Elisp and PerlMonks
in thread Emacs, Elisp and PerlMonks

It's Windows vs Emacs.

Ha, well said. However, a text-editor that's fucked up on crack is still a text-editor. Yeah, it has lisp built in. Yeah, you can quadruple the size of a distro just by including it, but what does it do? What makes it better than my little text editor? Seems to me emacs has become more like those bloated Java IDEs floating around everywhere that are only used by people who are "expert" frontpage and word "programmers." I see no advantage to it. Maybe I'm just getting too old.

Oh, and vi isn't any better, actually I can say more decisively it sucks.

Silly rabbit...

Emacs is for kids.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Emacs, Elisp and PerlMonks
by hding (Chaplain) on Mar 22, 2003 at 20:26 UTC
    Well, try programming in Common Lisp + (X)emacs + ILisp vs. Common Lisp + other editor and see if you still think there is no advantage to it. Or for that matter any language that allows one to work interactively - there is good integration available for the likes of SML, OCaml and many others.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Emacs, Elisp and PerlMonks
by mobiGeek (Beadle) on Mar 23, 2003 at 06:24 UTC
    No, it does not have "lisp built in". It is lisp. Emacs is a lisp engine that happens to let you edit text with a bajillion (or more) modes for different filetypes and applications.

    Emacs is not for kids...its for people who are serious about editing text.

    Seriously.

    If all you need is a GUI application that lets you type text, then you aren't serious about manipulating text.

      Emacs is a lisp engine that happens to let you edit text with a bajillion (or more) modes for different filetypes and applications.
      The lisp engine is really useful indeed - now if it had a good editor, that would be perfect. ;)

      Makeshifts last the longest.

      If all you need is a GUI application that lets you type text, then you aren't serious about manipulating text.

      Ah, the Slackware/Gentoo argument. Yes... I remember these:

      h4x0r: slackware/gentoo r0x0rs - RedHate is for n00bs me: why? h4x0r: because it's not 1337 me: why? h4x0r: because serious h4x0rs use slackware/gentoo me: what can they do with it that I can't do with RedHat h4x0r: ummm... me: spending 3 hours of tedious (yet straightforward) time installing +doesn't make something useful. h4x0r: serious h4x0rs use slackware/gentoo me: go away

      Same deal. As for "serious text editing" I use Perl, hit up cpan, write the scripts as reuseable components, and laugh at everyone else like so: ha haha ha.

        If you want to spend 6 hours debugging a problem when one eventually crops up, because you have neither any idea how the underlying configuration works nor which layer of the config tools built on top of that to look at.

        Besides, what do you mean by "installing"? The initial system install? That's something you do once, and given Gentoo or Debian, probably never again (as you can seamlessly up/downgrade at will). If you mean software in general, thpfffft. emerge program-name is all it usually takes on Gentoo - and a bit of waiting possibly. On Debian it's apt-get install program-name and you're done.

        Slackware is much less comfortable, but when I'm setting up a server I know what I want, and what I certainly do not want is pretty GUI tools (or an entire X server and all of its stability problems for that matter) on the box. I certainly don't have fancy graphics cards, fancy "multimedia devices" or anything of that sort to justify a clickety cute installer with lots of doodads.

        Have you had a look at Knoppix, perchance? It's a full fledged Debian live filesystem that boots off of CD and detects your hardware automatically, and with great success according to most everyone I heard talking about it. Comes with a KDE3 desktop (if you want such a thing), OpenOffice, Mozilla and lots of other stuff (they squeezed over 1GB uncompressed onto the ISO). And you can install it on HD and have an actual Debian install ready. Doesn't get easier than that, even with RedHat.

        Not to mention these distros are not full of bloated scripts that bog down the machine and spiked with repair-myself-automatically mechanisms that just get in your way.

        Makeshifts last the longest.

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