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I spend most of my time in...

by crenz (Priest)
on Jul 21, 2003 at 05:07 UTC ( #276141=poll: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

Vote on this poll

[bar] 415/42%
[bar] 71/7%
[bar] 13/1%
[bar] 4/0%
Americas (other)
[bar] 10/1%
Great Britain
[bar] 76/8%
[bar] 21/2%
[bar] 10/1%
[bar] 25/3%
[bar] 5/1%
[bar] 12/1%
Western Europe (other)
[bar] 9/1%
[bar] 64/7%
[bar] 56/6%
[bar] 7/1%
[bar] 6/1%
Central/S. Europe (other)
[bar] 7/1%
[bar] 15/2%
[bar] 4/0%
Northern Europe (other)
[bar] 9/1%
Eastern Europe
[bar] 11/1%
[bar] 7/1%
[bar] 9/1%
Middle East (other)
[bar] 4/0%
[bar] 2/0%
[bar] 2/0%
Hong Kong
[bar] 1/0%
China (other)
[bar] 5/1%
N/S Korea
[bar] 4/0%
[bar] 7/1%
[bar] 13/1%
[bar] 1/0%
[bar] 1/0%
South-East Asia (other)
[bar] 2/0%
Asia (other)
[bar] 3/0%
[bar] 27/3%
Oceania (other)
[bar] 3/0%
[bar] 4/0%
[bar] 14/1%
[bar] 21/2%
980 total votes
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Re: I spend most of my time in...
by grinder (Bishop) on Jul 21, 2003 at 06:33 UTC

    Hmmm. I read the poll title, and then tried to find the radio button for "bed" but I guess it got left out.

    Come to YAPC::Europe 2003 in Paris, 23-25 July 2003.

Re: I spend most of my time in... (which)
by tye (Sage) on Jul 21, 2003 at 05:42 UTC

    Deciding exactly which countries/entities to list above was no easy task. crenz gets ownership of the poll for doing much of the initial work.

    Unfortunately, there were a few items in his list that I felt might be controversial to some so I had to do some research to decide exactly what got to be listed.

    In the end, I found a recent survey of internet traffic per country, sorted the list, then ran down it to an arbitrary point (that closely matched what crenz had come up with) and only included those entries plus some more general categories.

    Actually, I did include one extra country that got a lower score than several that I didn't include. But this country placed first in some internet related statistics, so I felt justified in cheating in that one case.

    The survey listed three items that aren't currently (single) countries and these all scored higher than several other countries above so they each got their own entry even though they aren't currently (single) countries: Hong Kong, N/S Korea, and Belgium/Luxembourg. This is simply a reflection of the most useful data set that I found and has nothing to do with any political positions or opinions that I might hold.

    The placement of countries into "parts" of Europe or continents or regions of the world was based on (my interpretation of) The CIA World Factbook 2002. Within each region, countries are sorted based on their scores in the survey.

    Some may notice the absense of New Zealand. But it is just a suburb of Australia so I didn't include it even though it was listed separately in the survey. ;) I know for a fact that we have at least a couple of members from New Zealand (having had the oportunity to tease them) but, unfortunately, it scored 7 spots lower than the country I included as an exception, which scored 8 spots lower than our Middle Eastern countries (the lowest scorers of the rest). And I hope noone minds me grouping Turkey in The Middle East.

    Okay, enough of these long, difficult polls. This has taken too much of my time. The next one will be on belly lint. q-:

                    - tye
Re: I spend most of my time in...
by moxliukas (Curate) on Jul 21, 2003 at 05:26 UTC

    Ohh... I was really hoping to find "Lithuania" in the option list (hey, there are somewhere around 13 Lithuanians here :)

    Lithuania is usually put into two categories: either Central Europe or Eastern Europe. I voted on Central/Southern Europe though I am having second thoughts now, because Lithuania is not really Southern Europe (French scientists determined that the geographical centre of Europe is Near our capital, Vilnius)

      Sorry. Lithuania scored some 20-odd spots lower than even New Zealand.

      And I make no claims for the accuracy of the survey used. It was just in nearly the perfect form I was looking for (I could pull out a single number per country and just let the numbers decide what to include) and it mentioned predictions for 2004 and so appeared rather current.

      I've lost track of the link to it or I'd just include it.

                      - tye

        No, you shouldn't be sorry, you've done a great job. It would be unrealistic to include Lithuania here as it has a population of only 3 million souls.

        Now the choice between Central-Southern and Eastern Europe got me thinking for about 2 seconds ;)

        And all us New Zealanders (well apparently I'm the only one), have to choose Oceania (Other) :-(
      I feel your pain. Those of us from small countries should unite and fight against regionalist oppression! The Peoples' Independent Republic of South London is with you!

        Bah, I resent your overlording nationalistic claims. We from the State of Free Tooting laugh at the idea of a unified South London.

        (Yes, I actually do live in Tooting, this isn't *just* a simple Citizen Smith reference you know..)

        Are you from Pimlico?
      I think grouping all of Africa together is rather nasty :-( The Fact the The US, Canada, and Mexico get their own designation instead of simply "North America" is telling. Ethnocentricism! --I'll be quiet now....

        HighStrung, that was my decision and had nothing to do with ethnocentricism. I created this poll by trying to guess the countries the monks live in. This is why I added places like e.g. Israel (I know there's quite some Perl development going on there), Italy (I had seen quite a number of posts by Italian monks), Sweden etc. My goal was to have a list of countries that allows most monks to select their own country, without the list being so long that nobody would want to vote on the poll.

        So far, 46 out of 648 people voted on the "other" options (including 3 Chinese who I guess to be PRC chinese). The remaining 93% voted on a single country, so I guess tye helped me achieve my goal by revising my suggestion in a good way :).

      I am a chinese,but I am sorry to find that taiwan is under China,it's just a province of China,forever!

        Sorry. The survey had Taiwan listed separately. I had it grouped under China but accidentally lost that arrangement at some point.

        It has now been moved, for the sake of clarity. Neither this move nor the original placment should be construed as a political statement.

                        - tye
        it's just a province of China, forever
        I have a good Taiwanese friend who would strongly disagree with you here. I, for one, am pleased to see it listed separately from China. Free Taiwan!
Re: I spend most of my time in...
by Courage (Parson) on Jul 21, 2003 at 09:56 UTC
    In the middle of nowhere.
    of course.

    Courage, the Cowardly Dog

Re: I spend most of my time in...
by tbone1 (Monsignor) on Jul 21, 2003 at 14:44 UTC
    How about "in deep apathy"?

    Ain't enough 'O's in 'stoopid' to describe that guy.
    - Dave "the King" Wilson

Re: I spend most of my time in...
by Foggy Bottoms (Monk) on Jul 21, 2003 at 10:45 UTC
    How about... I spend most of my time in... the plane ? or on the boat ? Or in the Sahara desert (I believe one of our saints coded while camelriding). What of the perl monks travelling community then ?
    Have a nice day, FB.
    Heureux qui, comme Ulysse, a fait un beau voyage
    Ou comme celui-là qui conquit la Toison,
    Et puis est retourné plein d'usage et raison,
    Vivre entre ses parents le reste de son âge!

    J. du Bellay, poète angevin

Re: I spend most of my time in...
by blue_cowdawg (Monsignor) on Jul 21, 2003 at 17:14 UTC

    Cowdawg Travels

    Well... I had to answer USA because that's where I live, where I was born and nowadays I don't get the chance to travel much anymore between having a spouse that is completely petrified of flying (sorta limits where you travel) and not quite having the money to take cruises to go elsewhere.

    When I graduated High School and before I gained all this responsibility of being a husband and father I decided I wasn't going to be one of them old men who whine and moan about what could have been. I packed my back-pack and left for parts unknown. Having grown up in Massachussetts all my life and not seeing anything west of the Mississipi I decided to head more or less straight for California.

    More or less is the right way to put it as I ended up taking a path there that would have broken a snake's back it was so crooked and I managed to in the end see all 48 contiguous states. I got to California and hooked a left and headed for Mexico. Spent some time on the Baja California visiting small villages where tourists don't bother to go and got to know the "real people" rather than bother with the tourist traps.

    After this set of adventures I decided to join the US Navy. Figured I could see more of the world that way. Two days after I signed the papers to go into the Navy I met the woman that would become my wife 18 months later. That's another story.

    The first two years of my Navy career were pretty boring from a travel standpoint, but when I met up with my ship in 1979 things got really interesting.

    My last deployment with the US Navy were a WESTPAC deployment where I got to visit and see

    • Japan (four visits)
      • Sasebo
      • Maezuruo (sp?)
      • Yokuska
    • Philipines (4 visits)
    • Korea (2 visits)
    • Singapore (2 visits)
    • Sri Lankha; we were the first US warship to make port-of-call there since 1951

    One day just for research I decided to figure out what it would cost for me to retrace my footsteps in the Orient and went into shock over the price. Lots of moola.

    Peter L. BergholdBrewer of Belgian Ales
    Unix Professional
      What'd you think of Korea & Japan? I'm just curious... one day I'd like to go to both...

            What'd you think of Korea & Japan?
        Loved both countries for different reasons. I have always been facinated with Asia and Asian culture since I was very young so that and a very open mind willing to learn and ignore pre-concieved notions helped. Also getting away from the big cities you can see folks for who they are and not the face they put on for tourists.


        Japan is a country where by and large folks have a bad impression of Americans and I am ashamed to say it but they have damn good reason to be. Folks from the US are not very sensitive by and large to cultural differences and IMHO seem to think that the world is an extension of the good 'ole USA. But enough sermonizing.

        Once you can convince someone in Japan that you are not the typical "Ugly American" they will warm up to you slowly at first but once you make a friend they are a friend for life.

        In many ways Japanese pop culture (and my info is slightly dated, I was there last in 1981) is similar to the 1950's culture in the US. I kid you not, you will see youth riding scooters and motorcycles wearing leather jackets and combing back their "DAs" and young ladies in poodle sweaters and bobby socks.

        Bars in Japan have an intersting gig. You do not buy shots of whiskey there, you buy the bottle. The bottle then has your name printed on it and is stored at the bar where the bartender will dispense from that bottle when you are there. When it runs out you buy another bottle. I participated in this in Sasebo and shared the contents with some fellows I befriended while I was there. I would not be the least bit surprised if I went back to that bar (assuming it is still there) to find my bottle on the top shelf waiting for me.


        Koreans are among the most friendly people I have ever met in my life. They are especially so with Americans. During my stay in Pusan (pronounced Busan by they way... I'm told there is no "P" in the Korean alphabet) I was latched onto by a young man who wanted an American to practice his English on. He was planning on going to school in the US and didn't want to " sound like a foreigner" while he was in the US. Hmmm.. Some Americans could take a lesson here... (OK! I'll stop that!) In return he was my tour guide during the daylight hours and showed me a lot of Korea I would not have otherwise seen.

        Nighttime was another story. I met up with these three nefarious individuals who wanted to attempt to drink this Yankee under the table. Lots of luck! I'm German/Scottish in my heritage and in those days had quite a capacity and could hold my liquor and maintain control of myself even when blotto!

        Unfortunately, this incident became famous as the one and only time I got so wasted that I couldn't find my way back to the ship. The three gentlemen in question ended up in taxi cabs that their wives sent for them (!) with the cab drivers delivering the message from their wives that it was time to come home. Hmmm... some things never change no matter what country you are from.

        Other than the drunken debauchery described above I learned an awful lot from the folks from both countries about their respective cultures. Not to mention the fact that I talked my way into more resturaunt kitchens to learn first hand how to prepare some of the food indigenous to the countries in question. I'm an avid gourmet cook so this aspect was worth the trip all by itself.

        The one common theme that I found all over Asia and I would imagine is very true everwhere in the world. The individual people themselves don't give a rat's a** about Communists vs. Democracy vs. Ayatollas or anything else in the political arena. They just want to be left alone and allowed to raise their families and pass their customs, traditions and Grandma's Kimchee recipe down to their kids.

        One thing: if you start snapping pictures in Japan you are likely to be accosted by school children who want you very much to take their picture. Another thing: As much as the Koreans dote on their children it amazes me that they tend to be the most polite children in the world. Even more so than the Japanese children I met.

        I could go on and on with this topic, but it don't have a thing to do with Perl... ;-)

        Peter L. BergholdBrewer of Belgian Ales
        Unix Professional
Re: I spend most of my time in...
by Popcorn Dave (Abbot) on Jul 22, 2003 at 06:06 UTC
    Now if you'd asked where I'd rather be spending most of my time... Scotland.

    But I'm stuck in the USA until my next vacation. :p

    There is no emoticon for what I'm feeling now.

Re: I spend most of my time in...
by wombat (Curate) on Jul 21, 2003 at 05:58 UTC
    What is this? The "Time of Many Options?" First we have the poll with all the possible first computers. (And "Colossus" wasn't even on the list.) Now we have this big list of countries of which "Lithuania" is not a part. Just give a few options, and add the "Cowboy Neil" option for the whiners. Besides, have we forgotten "Put yourself on the Monk Map" ?

    ~W (There's someone thumping around on my roof.)

      I am aware of the Monk Map (and am on it myself!), but still decided to propose this poll since my guess is there are a number of people around that don't bother putting the info on their home node and I also wanted to give the Anonymous Monks their five minutes of fame :).

Re: I spend most of my time in...
by zentara (Archbishop) on Jul 21, 2003 at 14:03 UTC
    I spend most of my time in never-never-land.
Re: I spend most of my time in...
by Mr. Muskrat (Canon) on Jul 21, 2003 at 16:18 UTC
    What? No cyberspace?!??
Re: I spend most of my time in...
by hawtin (Prior) on Jul 21, 2003 at 07:56 UTC
    ...of course my answer only applies to this year, last year I was somewhere else...
Re: I spend most of my time in...
by AssFace (Pilgrim) on Jul 21, 2003 at 16:08 UTC
    I was hoping for a reference to Office Space's "pound me in the ass prison" - but I guess barring that, I'm in Bermuda - so I voted "Other".

    There are some odd things afoot now, in the Villa Straylight.

      Serious polls with lots of options don't benefit from having a silly choice (you get too many silly votes and lots of really short bars elsewhere).

      I could have sworn Bermuda was part of the Americas. *shrug*

                      - tye
        While geographically Bermuda is 700 miles off the East coast of North Carolina, and 1000 miles north of the Caribbean - politically it started as a colony of the Brits and has evolved to be its own country (although largely still tied to Britain in many legal senses). We have our own money and government.

        I was merely joking though, while I do live here, I really don't care one way or the other if it shows up on a poll or not. "Other" is sufficient for me.

        Judging from the negative vote(s?) I'd guess not everyone is a fan of Office Space. Or maybe they hate islands.

        There are some odd things afoot now, in the Villa Straylight.
        Serious polls with lots of options don't benefit from having a silly choice

        True, but then again nobody should interpret these polls to be anything even remotely representing the truth. In this case, why not include silly options for amusement. If you really wanted results you'd be better off checking the server logs.

Re: I spend most of my time in...
by Ryszard (Priest) on Jul 21, 2003 at 11:30 UTC
    Ik woon nu in Nederland.
Re: I spend most of my time in...
by blaze (Friar) on Jul 21, 2003 at 16:55 UTC
    Yeah, my ideal answer would've been "in my own little robert world", but i answered USA, as its the only place i've ever been (not by lack of money :( )

    Hopefully there will be a witty sig here at some point
Re: I spend most of my time in...
by feloniousMonk (Pilgrim) on Jul 23, 2003 at 15:06 UTC
    I voted USA because I consider "Inside my own head" to reside in the USA.

    Where would I *rather* spend my time though? At the moment I'd have to say in a free Tibet.

    -felonious --
Re: I spend most of my time in...
by larsen (Parson) on Jul 26, 2003 at 15:47 UTC
    While I'm writing there are 52 votes for Italy. Since I have only 31 italian monks listed in my homenode, there are at least 21 monks that me and my pards were not able to track dowm :). Drop me a /msg if you think you should be in that list. Thank you.

      You forgot to add me in your list.

      Yes! Let's say it at last! Anonymous Monk is Italian!

      At least, some of us AM are ... ;-)


      ... Not to mention the expats who love staying in Italy, even if they don't understand a word beyond pasta, mozzarella, espresso, and mamma mia!

Re: I spend most of my time in...
by Coruscate (Sexton) on Jul 23, 2003 at 17:08 UTC

    hrmm... let's see now, this can't be too difficult... I have never been outside of Canada my entire life, so I suppose I must select 'Canada'. How sad :(

    If the above content is missing any vital points or you feel that any of the information is misleading, incorrect or irrelevant, please feel free to downvote the post. At the same time, please reply to this node or /msg me to inform me as to what is wrong with the post, so that I may update the node to the best of my ability.

Re: I spend most of my time in...
by arthas (Hermit) on Jul 25, 2003 at 08:03 UTC

    Too good that we Italians, with 8%, are second only to the U.S.A.!!! And, given the average understanding of English language among Italian people, that's even a bit suprising. ;-)


      Sono d'accordo :-)

      I am surprised of Italy being the second after U.S.A.. That should encourage our efforts to create a real national PerlMongers group here!


      The very nature of Perl to be like natural language--inconsistant and full of dwim and special cases--makes it impossible to know it all without simply memorizing the documentation (which is not complete or totally correct anyway).
      --John M. Dlugosz
        There were quiet a lot of Italians at the latest YAPC::EU in Paris!
      My wife and I checking into hotel in Assisi and
      complimenting the desk clerk/owner:
      Us: Your English is very good.
      Him: Well, my wife _is_ from New Jersey.
      Me: Your English is very good - anyway.

      My wife and I will be going back in 2005. And I will drive much more carefully than last time. The parking ticket from Florence followed us all the way to Austin Texas!   And we paid it!!

Re: I spend most of my time in...
by shenme (Priest) on Jul 24, 2003 at 06:37 UTC
    I've seen some people complain about polls having too many choices. Looking at the results of this poll I think I'd like to make it much worse. Perhaps a hash of lists? No, really. "Given your most frequently used language {$L}, I spend most of my time in..." (Okay, really not...)

    But I notice that the larger counts are nearly predictable, from what little I've traveled, simply from the average rate of competence in English in the countries listed. The only two a bit surprising to me were Brazil and Sweden, and then perhaps because I haven't visited them yet.

    My point is that with the monastery's mother tongue as English these ratios are not surprising.

    Now maybe another poll could be "If your favorite computer language is Perl, your chosen second human language would be..." There I think English might dominate again through the spirit of TMTOWTDI - our politicians seem to be able to say anything and mean everything - or was it everything else?

    I'm a pessimist about probabilities; I'm an optimist about possibilities. - - Lewis Mumford

Re: I spend most of my time in...
by Anonymous Monk on Jul 30, 2003 at 04:17 UTC
    where are the Indian's? With so much of the worlds development happening there, I cant believe there are a only a handful of Monks there.
Re: I spend most of my time in...
by PhilHibbs (Hermit) on Aug 07, 2003 at 12:21 UTC


    (hi to any Calvin and Hobbes fans out there)
Re: I spend most of my time in...
by hardburn (Abbot) on Jul 31, 2003 at 13:30 UTC

    Hrm, tough one. I spend my time in Wisconsin, which might as well be part of the Antarctic . . .

    I wanted to explore how Perl's closures can be manipulated, and ended up creating an object system by accident.
    -- Schemer

    Note: All code is untested, unless otherwise stated

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