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Podmaster's Obscene Signature

by princepawn (Parson)
on Jan 05, 2004 at 20:09 UTC ( #318918=monkdiscuss: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

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Re: Podmaster's Obscene Signature
by Corion (Patriarch) on Jan 05, 2004 at 20:15 UTC

    Please, princepawn!

    You've been here long enough to know that you can /msg users privately to discuss personal matters, such as if you like their modules or if you take offense with their signature. You show now previous effort of having resolved this matter quitely and personally and instead open (and therefor kill) any discussion with your node title.

    Please discuss this matter offline, and if nothing comes out of it, then maybe raise the discussion again in this forum openly, but then, state as what you did before to resolve that matter.

    Personally, I am not offended by the signature, as I know that it refers to one of MJD' lightning talks (also seen in a TPC or YAPC movie). But then again, political correctness was never my strong side.

    perl -MHTTP::Daemon -MHTTP::Response -MLWP::Simple -e ' ; # The $d = new HTTP::Daemon and fork and getprint $d->url and exit;#spider ($c = $d->accept())->get_request(); $c->send_response( new #in the HTTP::Response(200,$_,$_,qq(Just another Perl hacker\n))); ' # web
Re: Podmaster's Obscene Signature
by vroom (His Eminence) on Jan 05, 2004 at 20:26 UTC
    If people were to find this signature offensive do you think they'd find the linked documentation for your module to be less offensive? I doubt it.
Re: Podmaster's Obscene Signature
by exussum0 (Vicar) on Jan 05, 2004 at 20:20 UTC
    Look at jeffa's CSS. He mentions it in his homenode. I use it too. It's the first thing under that picture of his in BIG BOLD. It has code for removing particular user's sigs. If you don't like others, you'll learn from it.

    Just a word to the wise. There may be some people who don't like podmaster. There are people who do like podmaster. You make people who like podmaster feel awkward when you critique other people's "stuff". That's like saying, "I don't like the way sporty writes long ass sentences." It makes people feel weird.

    It's usually a little nicer to everyone and shows a little more maturity (no finger pointing) by asking how to solve a problem w/ people, w/o naming names unless asked.

    No ill will.. just a note when asking about other people. :)

    Update: Added an example.

    Play that funky music white boy..
Re: Podmaster's Obscene Signature
by Anonymous Monk on Jan 05, 2004 at 20:26 UTC
    Stop! Stop, will you?! Stop that! Stop it! Now, look! No one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle! Do you understand?! Even, and I want to make this absolutely clear, even if they do say 'Jehovah'.
Re: Podmaster's Obscene Signature
by cLive ;-) (Prior) on Jan 05, 2004 at 20:20 UTC
    Ah princepawn, come on now. How hard is it to:

    /msg PodMaster I'm sorry, but I find your sig offensive. Some of us don't like swearing and I was wondering if you would mind removing the swearing?


    cLive ;-)

Re: Podmaster's Obscene Signature
by CountZero (Bishop) on Jan 05, 2004 at 20:43 UTC
    In the Encarta dictionary "obscene" is defined as:
    1. indecent: offensive to conventional standards of decency, especiall +y by being sexually explicit 2. disgusting: disgusting and morally offensive, especially because of + showing total disregard for other people

    I don't think "shit" is sexually explicit, nor morally offensive.

    We should all try to avoid pushing our standards of decency unto others. If the signature offends you, I'm quite sure you will be able to cobble up a CSS to delete this particular sig. (Hey, there is some programming in this after all!)


    "If you have four groups working on a compiler, you'll get a 4-pass compiler." - Conway's Law

      I think the word in question falls under the "offensive to conventional standards of decency" even if not "especially by being sexually explicit".

      There are certainly different levels of decency appropriate in different situations. The word in question certainly would be inappropriate in e.g. a job interview with a suit. Here at perlmonks things ought to be a little looser, but if there are genuine objections to a particular bit of looseness, even by one person, I think they ought to be heeded. (Though "heeded" may take the form of pointers to how to avoid seeing selected sigs.)

      So, the interesting question here is not how this thread originated, but how situations like this should be resolved. Assume for a moment that the problem is not with a sig, but with an individual repeatedly using profanity in the bodies of nodes. I hear others recommending

    • discuss with the poster by /msg
    • if that doesn't work, bring up the problem publicly but without specific names

      Questions: Should publicly preferably be by chatterbox or meditation? Or is it up to the objector? What's the next step, assuming the public response validates the objection?

      Update: I retract all the theoretical question. I doubt such a problem would arise, and if and when it does, then will be soon enough to deal with it.

        Regarding your struck comments: Actually such a situation _did_ occur, and actually with a somewhat prominent member of the perl community. After enough people /msgd about it, and he was borged a few times, and there were nodes edited etc, he got the point and stopped. He still visits occasionally, but the trouble went away. Peer pressure and the tools already availble are absolutley sufficient to deal with any such scenario, and have done so in the past.

        I should mention though that I personally am disappointed that the person to whom I am refering chose not to continue hanging out here much. I feel despite the problems of sometimes being offense he was overall a positive and valuable contributor. I hope one day he returns.


          First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
          -- Gandhi

Re: Podmaster's Obscene Signature
by troll (Initiate) on Jan 05, 2004 at 20:27 UTC

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