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There is a lot in this subthread about "it's not like that"; but nothing about what it is really like.

Not that anyone will care, but all I originally asked was "On the ground, in practice, what is achieved by the Agile process -- stand ups, sticky notes et, al -- that isn't (not can't be) achieved without it?".

I was interested in hearing what people who actually used it, but aren't necessarily Kool Aid drinkers, felt about it in real world use.

Same way that I asked my neighbour who had solar panels fitted to his roof, how he was getting on after a year.

I am a skeptic about them -- in this country, with our weather at fixed angles that weren't designed to capture sunlight and that can't track the Sun -- I consider the sales pitch that I've listened through a couple of times and been forced to cut short about once a week for the last five years, as close to a bare faced lie as I ever had pitched to me.

I don't believe the hype; but I'm always interested to listen to real experience from the trenches.

In my neighbours words: "it isn't saving me a huge amount; but it hasn't cost me anything; and I'm doing my bit for the environment.".

The first Solar Panel salesman that opens with: "You won't save a lot; but it won't cost you anything", just might catch my attention.

Somewhere between the sales pitch and the anecdotal bad experience; is what most people actually experience; and it was that I was interested in. Logic is rarely polemic.

Update:It's also worth noting the fifth word of the title of this series of threads; hence why I thought I might get a straight response from eyepopslikeamosquito; but gave clear indication of my stance and leave to ignore. Which he has. Which I respect.

With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday'
Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
"Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority". I'm with torvalds on this
In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice. Agile (and TDD) debunked

In reply to Re^6: Nobody Expects the Agile Imposition (Part VIII): Software Craftsmanship (terrible) by BrowserUk
in thread Nobody Expects the Agile Imposition (Part VIII): Software Craftsmanship by eyepopslikeamosquito

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