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Re: Do the masses know about perl?

by Aragorn (Curate)
on Jun 17, 2004 at 21:05 UTC ( #367764=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to Do the masses know about perl?

Even if reference appeared clearly in a movie or on TV, I don't think "the masses" could value it for what it is. It would still be something that would maybe bring a smile to a geeks' lips, but I don't think the average person will care.

"Windows" is something that a lot of people know, and is recognizable. The largest part of the computer-using population is not a programmer who would understand the reference to a computer language.

I think it's a bit like the appearance of W. Richard Stevens' book "UNIX Network Programming" in one of the Wayne's World movies. The geeks tought it was fun (I did anyway), but I don't think the average viewer understood the reference.


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Re^2: Do the masses know about perl?
by markmoon (Deacon) on Jun 18, 2004 at 03:43 UTC
    Don't forget about Nmap making an appearance in a scene from the Matrix Reloaded. I'm sure that gave more people a stiffy than that crappy Swordfish movie (well except for the part where Halle Berry gets 'er kit off).
    @a = ("a".."z"," ","-","\n");foreach $b ( 12,0,17,10,24,12,14,14,13,26,8,18,26,0,26, 22,0,13,13,0,27,1,4,26,15,4,17,11,26,7,0, 2,10,4,17) {print $a[$b]};print $a[28];
Re^2: Do the masses know about perl?
by Wassercrats on Jun 18, 2004 at 01:33 UTC
    Yeah, and speaking of that, I never liked the adult references in Bugs Bunny cartoons. It's nice that adults enjoy them, but they make Bugs Bunny a worse cartoon for children. I can't think of any at the moment...but they're in the Flintstones too. This is related to Perl because of all the Flintstone references in Perl books. Barney refers to "terra firma." Kids don't know what that is.

    And I don't think a children's song should contain the lyrics It's all about the devil and I've learned to hate him so.

    And I was never able to solve a Scooby Doo case, but that's a whole other subject.

      The reason why there are so many "adult" jokes in Bug Bunny is simple. When they were originally made 1930s/1940s (at least the classic ones) they were not made for kids. They were shown at the begining of movies with the newsreels (which many times were about WW2, so also not for kids). The same is true for the old Tom & Jerry cartoons. They had adult jokes because that was the target audience. Keep in mind that, at the time, animation was a relatively new technology (for mass audiences that is), and hadn't yet gotten the stigma of being "just for kids".

      How and why these cartoons, originally intended for adult audiences, made their way to stock "kids" programming is a whole other issue. If you watch, for instance Tom & Jerry, in chronological order (yes I have done that, my friend got 15 VCD of them from Taiwan and we watched just about all of them). You will notice the decline in "adult" humor as the years go by, you will also see the decline in racist "humor" (Tom's original owner was very much a "Mammy" stereotype) and WW2 references (there were many in early Bugs Bunny too, and even some WW2 propoganda films featuring Bugs).

      As for the Flinstones, it was a blatent rip-off of the Honeymooners, and originally aired in prime-time back in the 1960s. Now we may not think of prime-time as an adult time-slot nowadays, but back then, it was. Sure some kids saw it, but they (again) were not the target audience. Its humor, and storylines were very much oriented towards adults, this can be seen best in the Winston cigarette ad featuring Fred and Barney. You can find a Real Video stream linked of this page, or the direct Real Video stream here. Be sure to listen to the whole thing, at the end the announcer says "The Flinstones were brought to you by Winston".

      Just because its a cartoon, doens't mean its only for kids. Any Manga/Anime fan will tell you that.

      Yeah, because kids are dumb right?

      Wassercrats your comments ar patronising and elitist in the worst possible way; Comparing nontechnical people to kids is, at best, really arrogant as there are probably quite a few non-programmers who are smarter than you or I. Similarly, assuming that kids don't always get the 'adult' jokes in cartoons is plan dumb; A lot of kids are far smarter and more perceptive than adults give them credit for.


      "Stercus! Dixit Pooh. Eeyore, missilis lux navigii heffalumporum iaculas. Piglet, mecum ad cellae migratae secundae concurras."


      One of the reasons that I love The Simpsons is that they slip in a few clever jokes here and there -- the show has broad appeal precisely because it appeals to kids of all ages. This is a lesson that they learned at the feet of Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, Elmer Fudd, Yosemite Sam, Foghorn Longhorn (the loudmouthed rooster -- is that name right?) and others -- I watched those in black and white as a kid, and revisiting them in my teens revealed another angle that had been subtly introduced -- adult humour that would go over the kids heads but make the adults smile. And I love that kind of intelligent humour, that's right up my alley.

      And anyone who reads lyrics about the devil into the Flintstones really needs to chill out. It's a theme song about a cartoon, folks. It's the same kind of people who find the FreeBSD logo (the cute devil with his pitchfork -- he's a *daemon*, and he *forks* processes -- geddit?) offensive -- or the ones who made Procter and Gamble change their logo because they could 'see' the devil's face.

      To paraphrase Chip Salzenburg on the YAPC list recently: Chill. Out. People.

      Alex / talexb / Toronto

      Life is short: get busy!

        Actually, it's Foghorn Leghorn (I never liked that character to be honest)

        our @item = reverse (114, 101, 107, 99, 97, 104, 32, 108, 114, 101, 80, 32, 114, 101, 104, 116, 111, 110, 97, 32, 116, 115, 117, + 74); local $my = reverse ")meti@\ ,rhc (pam tnirp";eval $my;
        No kid needs to know what terra firma is. Even educational cartoons shouldn't have such a reference, especially without explaining it. I want my imaginary son watching something entertaining and maybe educational, without references intended to entertain me and do nothing for Wassercrats Jr.

        I used to watch the Power Puff girls and Duckman as an adult, but they were intended for adults, even though the Power Puff girls ended up with a large child-audience. That's semi-acceptable, but not for Bugs Bunny or the Flintstones.

        I wasn't reading anything into the Flintstones lyrics. I was talking about the other song on that page, titled Open Up Your Heart and Let the Sunshine In, sung by Pebbles and Bamm Bamm in one episode, and on records.

      Your mother drives pickle wagon and that's why she's a sour puss.

      Daffy Duck

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