in reply to Abigail-II and some thoughts
Ever heard of summer vacations? Maybe RL catches up to some of us ...
More importantly, there's a reason (several, actually) why most of the regulars respect the hell out of Abigal-II. It happens to be the same reason we also tend to respect merlyn.
THEY ARE USUALLY RIGHT
If anyone's ego can't stand being told, in a firm and generally polite manner, that they are absolutely, 100%, no-questions wrong and that a better course would be X ... screw them.
Furthermore, Abigail-II has earned his stripes, moreso than any and every other member on this board, with few possible exceptions. He has always been helpful, accepted criticism, and been willing to work with others. Yes, he doesn't suffer fools gladly. And, frankly, I long for the day when my stature in any community is such that I don't have to, either. There are too many stupid people in this world and they waste my time - just like I have wasted others' time when I was have been stupid. And, just like I will waste their time in the future.
Update: Added wording to appease BrowserUk.
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Re: Not Again ... *sighs*
by Ovid (Cardinal) on Sep 26, 2004 at 19:46 UTC
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They are usually right.
"Amen!" says brother Ovid.
That's the tough part for many to swallow. While I admit that I have also at times struggled with the style of merlyn or Abigail-II, I always pay attention to what they have to say on technical matters. Even if I don't agree with what they say, I find that they usually have compelling reasons for their insights. It's a shame that some people ignore rich food for thought simply because they don't like the color of the plate it's served on.
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Being right, does not endow the right to be rude; politeness costs nothing.
Being unknowing, is not the same as being stupid.
Expressing a contrary opinion, whether to the individual or the group, is more often a sign of deeper thought than of cantankerous belligerence.
Do not mistake your goals as the only goals; your opinion as the only opinion; your confidence as correctness. Saying you know better is not the same as explaining you know better.
Examine what is said, not who speaks.
"Efficiency is intelligent laziness." -David Dunham
"Think for yourself!" - Abigail
"Memory, processor, disk in that order on the hardware side. Algorithm, algorithm, algorithm on the code side." - tachyon
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Yet, people like tye, dragonchild, browseruk, theorbtwo, podmaster and tachyon, leaving off many people, on a daily basis, are quite civil. Some may be more sarcastic or gentle than others, but all in all, they gain a certain respect because they are truely wise. That's why I consider Abigail, just plain smart. He, and perhaps merlin, forget that we are all human and totally miss out on that, which no number of years of perl, will ever help attain.
Can you respect Oppenheimer for the A-Bomb, of course. He was first a scientist. He did something inovative and cool. But it's because he did something that created such destruction, he becomes controvercial. But abigail and merlyn have yet to kill anyone to my knowledge, but they carry one weapon: their attitudes. Making people feel like poop, regardless of how factual you are, is very demeaning. Some of us out here, have thicker skin. But to the unwise, the lacking of experience and knowledge, their attitudes could easily deter people from persuing perlmonks, perl, programming, or some combination of the three.
Just food for thought.
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"their attitudes could easily deter people from persuing perlmonks, perl, programming, or some combination of the three.
Hm... perlmonks, might be; perl and programming, absolutely not. This is just one of many web sites you can ask questions, and most of the people don't take this site as home, but rather a bar where they can go for a talk, asking questions, providing answers if they can.
Just because being treated rudely by someone on some web site, one will stop programming? That is too dramatic. The power of rudeness is being over-estimated, and yet the nerve of a normal human being has been under-estimated.
I actually even doute the perl monk part. If someone being rude at you, you will never visit their home again, but this is really not anyone's home, vitually nobody owns it, yet it is owned by everyone. Put it in this way, will you move out from your own home, just because someone came and said something rude to you? very unlikely! The same thing here, as this is your home, not someone else's.
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And when they're wrong, they can't admit it
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Re: Not Again ... *sighs*
by BrowserUk (Patriarch) on Sep 26, 2004 at 17:28 UTC
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