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Re^3: Perl 6 release dates - two years later

by SpanishInquisition (Pilgrim)
on Oct 22, 2004 at 02:52 UTC ( #401359=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


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Why should I wait because Python and Ruby are already there? Perl6 is not just a cleant-up perl5 with a few added features. It is a redesigned Perl
That that it needs an answer, I will point out that you didn't answer the question ... (meanwhile, I am psychologically incompatible with Python, so you don't have to worry about it!).

Having somewhat of a project management and software design background (err, acquired in weird ways, but nonetheless), and adding empirical evidence .. it does appear that Perl 6 is attempting a HUGE, and I do mean huge BDUF ...

In my personal endeavors, BDUF leads to fatality. As for fragalitiy of interfaces, I do sympathize, although many other languages have survived from very early versions with large-scale changes moving through it with each revision.

If you can't release because you are tracking to a known level of completion, that's one thing ... if you are not sure when it will be done or what it will be when it's done, that's huge -- it's something that you really have to watch out for. Part of software design isn't just making a good interface, it's making a flexibile interface and accomodating change.

OT: To sound a bit heretical, I actually don't care much about Parrot. Sure, it would be nice, but other languages already have fine interpreters. The CLR/Parrot idea is interesting, it could prove useful, but mostly, I am a HLL guy -- and I think in languages not in implementations. The beauty of Parrot will likely to those people who like to work on internals, that's just not me. Anyhow, replacing the VM and the language at the same time may actually be too much.

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Re^4: Perl 6 release dates - two years later
by stefp (Vicar) on Oct 22, 2004 at 05:32 UTC

    Why should I wait because Python and Ruby are already there? Perl6 is not just a cleant-up perl5 with a few added features. It is a redesigned Perl
    That that it needs an answer, I will point out that you didn't answer the question ...
    Here it is: I can live with perl5 a few years while waiting for Perl6 if switching to a new language does not bring me a big benefit. Perl6 will be a quantum leap without the need for me to learn a different language with all its libraries (or lack of thereof).

    In my personal endeavors, BDUF leads to fatality.
    BDUF means Big Design UpFront. I had to look it up. :(
    Perl6 is a second system so the big design benefits from fifteen years of experience.
    I think in languages not in implementations. (...) Anyhow, replacing the VM and the language at the same time may actually be too much
    You are honest about not being interested in internals. So why this gratuitous comment? Everything I know who has peeked into perl5 internals think it needed a redesign. So did the language. The best is to do one with the other in mind to avoid a mismatch of impedance. Other existing VMs did not match the bill.

    Anyway with the spanish inquisition, who stands a chance? :)
    Either way you loose. you are thrown to water. If you drown you are innocent. If you don't you are a witch and treated accordingly. :)

    -- stefp

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