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by neophyte (Curate)
on Nov 20, 2000 at 15:44 UTC ( #42481=monkdiscuss: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

Fellow Monks,
as many people working in the web-business, I have several browsers installed on my (win-) computer. Those are With all those browsers PerlMonks is accessible. Very good work, too many sites are only accessible with the latest IE or Netscrape.
The only downside is a small problem with Amaya: It insists on having an action-attribute in forms and misses that in the login-form, hence no logging in with Amaya.

To cut a long story short, I would like to know what browser/s do you use for browsing PerlMonks.


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(brainpan) Re: Browsing PerlMonks with ...
by brainpan (Monk) on Nov 20, 2000 at 16:32 UTC
    To answer your question directly, I use Nestc(r)ape1 4.51 to browse perlmonks. To get a good general idea of how the numbers stack up by OS / browser try visiting this greatly underpublicized node.

    1I'll explain this lest I get downvoted unnecessarily. My friend and I started calling referring to our favorite (of the two) browsers by this name back in the Win 95 days, where the general instability of windows and the bugginess of the browser combined to make lynx a very attractive option. I have long since forsaken windows and the resultant familiarity with the BIOS screen, but the quirkiness of Netscape remains. To date this is by far the most stable version I've found, however it has a memory leak that manages to completely fill my 64MB RAM and 128 MB swap partition every 8-12 hours or so. Come quickly great lizard! Make haste oh konqueror!

    And no, I don't own 27 pairs of sweatpants.
        Glad to help. I believe that this place has a lot of little features like this that originated when the monastery was young. From perusing the home nodes of monks who've been here longer than myself it appears that these were common knowledge at the time, but since they weren't really documented anywhere the knowledge of their existence is passed along only by word of mouth (or word of keystrokes, as the case may be). I haven't found too many of these, but so far my favorite one would have to be the assume all vroom's godly powers node. Try it. Vroom wouldn't leave nodes just lying around unless he wanted us visiting them, would he?

        And no, I don't own 27 pairs of sweatpants.
(Dermot) Re: Browsing PerlMonks with ...
by Dermot (Scribe) on Nov 20, 2000 at 18:08 UTC
    • Konqueror 1.9.8
    • Amaya 4.0
    • Netscape 4.73
    • Mozilla M18
    • Opera 4.0b2

    I have problems browsing PerlMonks with all of these. As mentioned in the original post it is not possible to login using Amaya. The other three browsers will not successfully complete downloading the Newest Nodes page when there is more than ~100k of data to download. I don't really understand it, if anyone can shed any light on the problem I would appreciate it. All five (Konqueror, Netscape, Mozilla, Opera, Amaya) react a little differently but the end result is that they either render part of the newest nodes page or they don't render anything at all. Operating system is Debian GNU/Linux with a 2.2.17 kernel and a mixture of package, mostly up to date.
    • Konqueror gives an error dialog: Connection to host is broken, and doesn't render anything. My guess is that is fills a buffer or somehow realises that it won't be able to render the full page and decides not to render anything at all.
    • Netscape connects, shows the ad, graphics, search bar, links to the various PerlMonks sections and the Newest Nodes title and then nothing. It stops downloading at around 150K and View-->Page Source shows the last text as: "&lastnode_id=3628">(tye)RE: my and".
    • Amaya shows most of what should be shown on the Newest Nodes page but the indentation is haphazard and looks poor to say the least. However, this is not a fair test because since I can't log in using Amaya it is showing the previous days nodes not the previous four or five days as it would if I was logged in so who knows how it would behave in that situation.
    • Opera actually renders most of the page but not quite everything. It stops somewhere during the New Notes section and doesn't show the Newest Users section at all. This seems to be due to the amount of data as with the other browsers. Using View Source to try and see where it stopped is not helping because it starts up an application called xedit which does not have scrollbars so I have not been able to see what the last piece of markup is.
    • Mozilla doesn't show the Newest Nodes page at all and doesn't give an error message either. The background just greys out and hangs there. However, it outputs a message to the xterm it was started from saying that the document has been downloaded successfully.
      Are you using a proxy server by chance? Just curious.. the fact that all browsers fail leads me to believe it's either a site problem or a problem with your network/proxy setup. The site seems to be set up in a typical way, so is there anything non-standard about your network/proxy setup? I've never seen these types of problems with Netscape 4.72 or Mozilla M18 on other sites.
        No proxy and I have experienced the same problems with the same versions of the same browsers on different network connections at different physical locations, also not proxied. I've seen this using a 56k modem and a shared ISDN B-Channel.

        The data is being transferred from to the browsers but it is what happens afterwards that is causing the problem. I think. Good questions though. Keep them coming.

Re: Browsing PerlMonks with ...
by agoth (Chaplain) on Nov 20, 2000 at 16:17 UTC
    • IE 5.5
    • Mozilla (milestone18 I think)

    Netscape blew themselves out of my pond with that autoinstaller rubbish....

Re: Browsing PerlMonks with ...
by merlyn (Sage) on Nov 20, 2000 at 19:48 UTC
      Wow! I came across iCab after a google search. I gave up on Internet Exploiter 5 after a series of random crashes. I reinstalled IE5 from its original installer, viewed some Quicktime and BOMBS AWAY on a brand new system! I can't believe you haven't been yelling about iCab before! It's Mac native (from foundation up) and has a lot more features including a built-in advertisement "proxy" filter, more HTML options, cookie options, security options, buttons, GUI configurability, and the awesome smiley face which will help me to write my OWN web pages in legal strict HTML! Wow! I wish I had come across this earlier! iCab smashes IE 5!
      AgentM Systems nor Nasca Enterprises nor Bone::Easy nor Macperl is responsible for the comments made by AgentM. Remember, you can build any logical system with NOR.
Re: Browsing PerlMonks with ...
by TStanley (Canon) on Nov 20, 2000 at 18:46 UTC
    Netscape 4.7 on Redhat 6.2 at work
    IE 5.5 on Windows 95 at home

    There can be only one!
Re: Browsing PerlMonks with ...
by royalanjr (Chaplain) on Nov 20, 2000 at 20:11 UTC
    NS 4.75

    Roy Alan

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