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Re: (jcwren) Re: (2): Best part of Thanksgiving

by MF (Scribe)
on Nov 25, 2000 at 23:04 UTC ( #43324=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to (jcwren) Re: (2): Best part of Thanksgiving
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You missed my point.
I said I liked the poll because of the last option.
I know there are plenty of sites in the Netherlands that are Dutch only, and I'm not quite fond of them. Compared to France, however, it is a haven for the English speaking world.

Let me inform you of the way the language problem of a
united Europe is dealt with in the Netherlands.

Every student learns Dutch, English and a bit of German here in the four forced years of education after elementary school.
Most also learn a bit of French, and some schools have the option of specializing in French/German.
English and Dutch are always compulsory, to the full effect.
Germans only learn German at school, only the higher forms of post elementary-school education teach English. In the UK, it's pretty much the same as in Germany AFAIK, but this is fine because English is the language 'everyone' knows anyway.
France is the worst of them.. I've seen educational documentaries of French people in an English exam class, and their English was sub-par to be mild. It shows, for when in France you can forget about asking for something in English at a gas-station. (Mind you that I'm not ignorant about these countries, the distances are small in relation to the distances in, say, Australia.)

I'm not trying to make daft generalizations here, nor was I talking about America's citizens. I was referring to America as a nation. A nation may not have viewpoints, but the history and cultural context of a nation certainly influences people's viewpoints.

I suddenly realize I used a bad example, though. Language should be English-only worldwide. It's much easier that way :).

About you being concerned about yourself,...
Good :)..I am too, but I'm also curious about the structure of the world. I'm not single-minded enough to think only about myself. You are, in fact, a reflection of what you are to others. Since you're obviously depending on other people (Your employer, for example?), it's better to zoom out occasionally.

I hope you're not angry anymore :(

"Let's not include text here.."
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by gryng (Hermit) on Nov 27, 2000 at 21:40 UTC
    I'll break my fast of not posting to say I can attest to the Netherlands being a great place for English, especially compared to the other European countries.

    I'd like to say in an ideal situation everyone should both be looking out for themselves and for others. This rarely happens in a perfect balance, but it's only the extremes one needs to really worry about. And generally speaking you will find that those that are doing well will have more time to look about themselves than those that are not.

    As an example, consider the Netherlands which does excedingly well. They have (as a nation, sorry jcwren -- you can generalize :) ) the time to learn English and Dutch and another language (as mentioned in ML's post it's generally German or French). For Americans, I suppose you could say we show our "well to do" by being very, er, "proactive" in worldwide affairs (I don't exactly support all of this proaction :) ).

    However, as mentioned, during economic crisis's Russia was not worried about everyone else -- similarly during the depression American acted similarly.

    So anyway, to conclude: It would be nice if we could attain a balance between minding our business as well as our neighbor's. But just try not to be destructive, rather constructive when doing so.


Re: Re: (jcwren) Re: (2): Best part of Thanksgiving
by Anonymous Monk on Nov 26, 2000 at 01:07 UTC
    > Language should be English-only worldwide. It's much easier that way

    So much culture is embedded in language. You would lose that for the sake of convenience?

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