I know my questions keep lookign suspect, but that truly is because I am testing spam related software. I can give you the company (openwave.com) but that is probably it. Yes the sending information before the banner should trigger some action by the server. In much the way if you pipe a file to telnet. I will try the Socket::INET and report my findings. Most of the problems I have been having is that all these modules need info back from the server before they are considered "open".