Re^4: Company considers recoding Java app in Perl

[adrianh]

Comparing Java servlets with mod_perl handlers gives very close results. I don't think the slowness people often experience on Java sites has to do with the actual language as much as the choices made when developing in it.

That's been my experience. It's not Java per se that causes slow down and bloat, but the huge frameworks that are brought in for the simplest task.

[Eyck]

Considering that java is one of languagues that are one with their frameworks (.Net, J2EE), what you're saying is... ee, what... jvms are fast, java programs are slow?

[perrin]

Perl has plenty of frameworks too. But yes, the gist is that Java itself is fast, but people often write overly complicated systems on it, which run slowly. The problems in these cases is the software design, not the language it was written in.

[adrianh]

Considering that java is one of languagues that are one with their frameworks (.Net, J2EE), what you're saying is... ee, what... jvms are fast, java programs are slow?

No. What I'm saying is that large everything-including-the-kitchen-sink frameworks like J2EE are often overkill and create unnecessary overhead that shows up in bloated images and slower run times.

It's perfectly possible to develop applications without J2EE. It's often more effective to build up smaller frameworks with things like JDO, Velocity, etc.