Which topic is most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery:

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Re: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by Zaxo (Archbishop) on Sep 08, 2005 at 07:47 UTC
None of the above. `(ExtUtils::MakeMaker, CPAN) vs. (Module::Builder, CPANPLUS)`. Though most of the controversy I've seen recently is just objections to each other's language. After Compline, Zaxo	[reply]
Re^2: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by Happy-the-monk (Canon) on Sep 08, 2005 at 08:10 UTC
Though most of the controversy I've seen recently is just objections to each other's language. I second this idea. Cheers, Sören	[reply]
Re^2: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by castaway (Parson) on Sep 08, 2005 at 08:10 UTC
Definitely this one! C.	[reply]
Re^3: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by exussum0 (Vicar) on Sep 08, 2005 at 20:21 UTC
What about the "use strict" arguments that passed a while back? :) I'm all for developers using the tools that make them work best, though I rather use strict. (Use strict! No! Yes! No!) ---- Give me strength for today.. I will not talk it away.. Just for a moment.. It will burn through the clouds.. and shine down on me.	[reply]
Re^4: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by gellyfish (Monsignor) on Sep 08, 2005 at 20:53 UTC
Re: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by grinder (Bishop) on Sep 08, 2005 at 07:32 UTC
It's not vim, it's vi. The former has a large number of useless features for which Real Programmers have no need. There's nothing like typing `:X` (uppercase X) by accident to save the file and quit, and accidently encrypting your file with a key you can't reproduce, because you used the system's typeahead to prepare the next command to be run. Other than that, there's: Should the Chatterbox be logged? Polls with tyops Cowboy Neal spelt incorrectly - another intruder with the mooring in the heart of the Perl	[reply]
Re^2: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by gellyfish (Monsignor) on Sep 08, 2005 at 08:55 UTC
I don't think the 'X' thing is a uniquely `vim` feature - I recall a colleague doing this on ICL DRS/NX before vim was born, DRS/NX was a near bog-standard SVR4 and the only open source software installed on this machine was Perl 4. /J\	[reply] [d/l]
Re^2: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by ambrus (Abbot) on Sep 08, 2005 at 12:07 UTC
Also "is" is misspelt to "it".	[reply]
Re^3: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by ysth (Canon) on Sep 09, 2005 at 09:39 UTC
Fixed. Niel I'm not touching.	[reply]
Re: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by itub (Priest) on Sep 08, 2005 at 13:27 UTC
Perhaps this is too obvious, but where's "any two alternatives related to voting/XP"? (public vs secret; gain XP when downvoting vs lose XP when downvoting; must reply when downvoting vs need not reply when downvoting; unconditionally downvote all nodes related to XP vs don't downvote them; etc.) :-)	[reply]
Re^2: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by gellyfish (Monsignor) on Sep 08, 2005 at 13:33 UTC
B**s, I clicked the wrong radio button and upvoted this by mistake ;-) /J\	[reply]
Re: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by jonadab (Parson) on Sep 08, 2005 at 09:49 UTC
I would have said it was DateTime versus Date::Calc versus Date::Manip versus Time::Piece, and so on.	[reply]
Re: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by marto (Cardinal) on Sep 08, 2005 at 08:12 UTC
And where is the option for: Kirk vs Picard The Matrix vs Tron Cowboy ~~Niel~~ Neal vs dyslexia Martin	[reply]
Re^2: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by admiral_grinder (Pilgrim) on Sep 08, 2005 at 13:25 UTC
You forgot one more: StarFleet vs Galactic Empire	[reply]
Re^3: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by Akhasha (Scribe) on Sep 09, 2005 at 01:27 UTC
Or: Total Annihilation vs StarCraft	[reply]
Re^4: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by gregor42 (Parson) on Sep 09, 2005 at 15:18 UTC
Re^3: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by Steve_p (Priest) on Sep 09, 2005 at 01:19 UTC
You heartless %#&#$&^*! Masters of Orion rules them all!	[reply]
Re^2: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by gregor42 (Parson) on Sep 09, 2005 at 15:40 UTC
Well if you're going down that road Kirk vs. Neo - Kirk only had to TALK to a computer to kill it Spock vs. Rambo 2001 Space Odyssey vs Space 1999 Vorlons vs. The Dominion Aliens vs. Predator vs. Klandathu vs. THEM Gort vs. Cylons vs. Robotech vs. Replicators vs. Westworld The Borg vs. Marvin the Paranoid Android - "Existence Is Futile..." Spaceballs vs. Red Dwarf Enterprise vs. Argo vs. Galactica - (cigartube&bic-shavers vs. sunken-battleship-blueprints vs. big-hunk-O-plastic) Riker vs. Buck Rogers and of course... Star Trek vs. Dating Wait! This isn't a Parachute, this is a Backpack!	[reply]
Re: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by greenFox (Vicar) on Sep 09, 2005 at 03:34 UTC
Nailing my colours to the mast- Vim, Linux, Perl (well doh!), Cats, Camels, Paco & Darth Vader. For some real controversy see tabs vs spaces which is still going on, it's spaces of course :-) The mandatory blessing for this thread... May you be touched by his noodly appendage. -- Murray Barton Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Seek what they sought. -Basho	[reply]
Re^2: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by BerntB (Deacon) on Sep 09, 2005 at 08:43 UTC
Vim, Linux, Perl (well doh!), Cats, Camels, Paco & Darth Vader. ... tabs vs spaces ... spaces I took the Cowboy Neal option here -- and voted you up. The only thing we got in common is Perl and Camels! (I'd go with MacOS X, I think.) We should work together; if we don't murder each other, we should complement very well. :-) (-: Just have to modify the CVS to (de)tabify when checking in/out. :-)	[reply]
Re: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by ambrus (Abbot) on Sep 08, 2005 at 12:12 UTC
I voted on Perl vs Java because there are large disputes about using Perl for everyting versus using the right tool for the right task.	[reply]
Re: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by ww (Archbishop) on Sep 08, 2005 at 14:51 UTC
perhaps not as high on the contentiousness list, but often addressed (even if OT) in the CB: css positioning vs tables use of js vs 'your mama wears combat boots' or any other unperlish topic (:<}))	[reply]
Re: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by demerphq (Chancellor) on Sep 08, 2005 at 17:16 UTC
Er, the definition of 'sanctimonious' is 'excessively or hypocritically pious' which I don't really think describes us that well. --- $world=~s/war/peace/g	[reply]
Re^2: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by Tanktalus (Canon) on Sep 08, 2005 at 17:37 UTC
Whether we're sanctimonious or not somewhat depends on your perspective, I suppose. From the perspective of certain individuals who have endured massive onslaughts of downvotes, we may indeed be sanctimonious. Of course, it's rare the person who admits to their own sanctimoniousness. The word being in the self-description is actually kind of humourous in that light. :-) "I don't think that word means what you think it does." Heheheheh :-)	[reply]
Re^2: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by DrWhy (Chaplain) on Sep 09, 2005 at 14:18 UTC
I believe the 'sanctimonious' reference is to the previous poll and the response it received, not to PerlMonks in general. --DrWhy "If God had meant for us to think for ourselves he would have given us brains. Oh, wait..."	[reply]
Re: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by samizdat (Vicar) on Sep 08, 2005 at 13:40 UTC
Choice X: "governments are supposed to babysit people" vs. "governments are supposed to protect peoples' rights". Choice Y: Gd*? Choice Z: Perl is perfection incarnate?!?	[reply]
Re: Which topic is most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by wolfger (Deacon) on Sep 09, 2005 at 15:13 UTC
bug vs. feature TIMTOWTDI vs. "best practices" OO vs. structured -- Random Synapse Firing	[reply] [d/l]
Re: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by BrowserUk (Patriarch) on Sep 08, 2005 at 10:54 UTC
V v VI Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error. Lingua non convalesco, consenesco et abolesco. -- Rule 1 has a caveat! -- Who broke the cabal? "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority". The "good enough" maybe good enough for the now, and perfection maybe unobtainable, but that should not preclude us from striving for perfection, when time, circumstance or desire allow.	[reply] [d/l]
Re: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by tbone1 (Monsignor) on Sep 08, 2005 at 13:45 UTC
How about French Roast vs. Sumatran? -- tbone1, YAPS (Yet Another Perl Schlub) And remember, if he succeeds, so what. - Chick McGee	[reply]
Re^2: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by ww (Archbishop) on Sep 08, 2005 at 15:40 UTC
or maybe French Toast vs pancakes?	[reply]
Re^2: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by demerphq (Chancellor) on Sep 08, 2005 at 15:13 UTC
I cant believe that there is any debate over this. The answer is so obvious.... ;-) --- $world=~s/war/peace/g	[reply]
Re^3: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by Ven'Tatsu (Deacon) on Sep 09, 2005 at 20:34 UTC
I can't believe there can be any debate over this. French Roast reffers to the darkness of a roasted bean. Sumatran is any bean from the region of Sumatra. It would be entirely posible to have a Sumatran French Roast, though in my opinion Sumatran beans have quite a bit of natural body that would be eclipsed by a darker roast.	[reply]
Re^2: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by InfiniteSilence (Curate) on Sep 09, 2005 at 22:18 UTC
"French Roast" is a roast type. "Sumatran" is a coffee origin. Celebrate Intellectual Diversity	[reply]
Re: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by Steve_p (Priest) on Sep 09, 2005 at 01:28 UTC
I remember a few more in the Chatterbox or the various polls or meditions here: Pop vs. Soda Boxers vs. Briefs `use strict;` vs. `no strict;`	[reply] [d/l] [select]
Re: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by gam3 (Curate) on Sep 08, 2005 at 19:26 UTC
I don't understand Windows vs Linux. Doesn't Linux have windows? -- gam3 A picture is worth a thousand words, but takes 200K.	[reply]
Re^2: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by gloryhack (Deacon) on Sep 08, 2005 at 22:30 UTC
Yes, it does -- but windoze doesn't have Linux, and therein lies the rub.	[reply]
Re^3: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by gellyfish (Monsignor) on Sep 08, 2005 at 22:32 UTC
Yes it does http://www.colinux.org Wahay! /J\	[reply]
Re^4: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by gloryhack (Deacon) on Sep 10, 2005 at 06:24 UTC
Re: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by gloryhack (Deacon) on Sep 08, 2005 at 17:50 UTC
The poll needs at least one more bucket: "Things totally unrelated to any programming language or practice."	[reply]
Re: Which topic is most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by Anonymous Monk on Sep 09, 2005 at 11:03 UTC
Perl vs. PHP MySQL vs. PostgreSQL bare DBI vs. Class::DBI HTML::Template vs. Template::Toolkit vs. Mason Smart polls vs. idiotic ones	[reply]
Re: Which topic is most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by bart (Canon) on Sep 09, 2005 at 13:04 UTC
None of the above... It's the previous poll.	[reply]
Re: Which topic it most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by trammell (Priest) on Sep 08, 2005 at 14:11 UTC
`VOTE FOR PACO`	[reply]
Re: Which topic is most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by Roy Johnson (Monsignor) on Sep 08, 2005 at 21:57 UTC
Downvoting. The first rule of Downvote Club is you do not talk about Downvote Club!	[reply]
Re^2: Which topic is most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by gellyfish (Monsignor) on Sep 08, 2005 at 22:30 UTC
HE MADE ME DO IT	[reply]
Re^3: Which topic is most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by Steve_p (Priest) on Sep 09, 2005 at 01:34 UTC
ME TOO!	[reply]
Re: Which topic is most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by Anonymous Monk on Sep 09, 2005 at 17:15 UTC
Actually, it's missing poll options that tend to raise the most controversy! Why wasn't there a poll option for that, huh?!?	[reply]
Re^2: Which topic is most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by Knom (Beadle) on Sep 10, 2005 at 04:23 UTC
All Your Base Are Belong To Us Vs. It's Peanut Butter Jelly Time!	[reply]
Re: Which topic is most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by fraktalisman (Hermit) on Sep 09, 2005 at 12:14 UTC
Cats vs. Dogs: they are worst when it starts raining both of them ... _{fraktalisman keeps rolling}	[reply]
Re: Which topic is most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by monarch (Priest) on Sep 11, 2005 at 01:50 UTC
What about the sig vs no-sig argument on individual's postings? I know I abhor people that attach a sig to every post they make, but the people who do this (like cigarette smokers) think it's their right to pollute the space around them..	[reply]
Re^2: Which topic is most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: (sacred cows) by tye (Sage) on Sep 11, 2005 at 04:30 UTC
It's my node! Read more... (2 kB)	[reply]
Re^3: Which topic is most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: (sacred cows) by wfsp (Abbot) on Sep 11, 2005 at 13:21 UTC
"It's my node!" Hmmm. Perhaps not :-)	[reply]
Re^2: Which topic is most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by Anonymous Monk on Sep 11, 2005 at 04:30 UTC
...but the people who do this (like cigarette smokers) think it's their right to pollute the space around them.. Ok... so it's mostly cigarette smokers who have sigs? I understand. ;P	[reply]
Re: Which topic is most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by Moriarty (Abbot) on Sep 12, 2005 at 05:19 UTC
I don't see anything here that is controversial.	[reply]
Re^2: Which topic is most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by Moriarty (Abbot) on Sep 13, 2005 at 02:37 UTC
Actually, although I don't believe that any of the conflicts listed here are overly controversial, I have thought of a controversial topic that I have seen here. Evolution vs Creation The Evolutionists seem to be much more vocal than the Creationists. It kinda makes me wonder who they're trying to convince ...	[reply]
Re^3: Which topic is most controversial within the halls of our sanctimonious Monastery: by runrig (Abbot) on Feb 25, 2008 at 18:05 UTC
I think it's often hard to judge who is more vocal out of any two groups...the most vocal are usually the most annoying and make the the non-vocal look bad by association (and it's hard to judge how non-vocal the non-vocals are (or how many there are) because, well, they're not as noticeable).	[reply]


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