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Re^2: How I started reading Perl's (builtin) documentation.

by Anonymous Monk
on Oct 07, 2005 at 19:18 UTC ( #498289=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re: How I started reading Perl's (builtin) documentation.
in thread How I started reading Perl's (builtin) documentation.

Where are your doc patches? Where is the work you've put into it? How can you demand things of and complain about the work people do on a volunteer basis?

Besides that, your laundry list of complaints doesn't address his comment at all: he said the Perl documentation is better than any he had see before. Putting aside the impossibility of proving what he has or hasn't seen before, it was a comparitive analysis. Your complaints about the quality of the documentation may indeed be correct (and I'm not saying they are; they sound a bit too much like pissy ranting for me to take seriously), but that's completely missing the point.

Now, I'll make a prediction: your response (if you respond at all) is going to be even less relevant and coherent than your original rant. So go ahead, give me your best shot, but I'm not going to be surprised.

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Re^3: How I started reading Perl's (builtin) documentation.
by Anonymous Monk on Oct 08, 2005 at 00:08 UTC
    I don't demand anything, except honesty. I do retain the right to criticise people, volunteers or otherwise, who don't follow through on their promises. Lies aren't acceptable to many people.

    People who say they're going to do something, and then don't do it, disappoint others. Obviously the people who planned to address problems and then chose not to disappointed a lot of people, self included.

    People coming into the Perl community should know that history, and know that coding with perl isn't all the sunshine and roses that it's portrayed to be by it's breathless enthusisasts. They shouldn't believe promises that the documentation will be cleaned up "real soon now", because that's been false for a long time now. Those promises are still in the documentation; and they're still lies.

    There are issues for and against perl, and in this thread, perl's documentation was being presented as a strength. I felt it was only right to point out the weaknesses, as well; and to prevent others from being mislead by false promises, like I was in thhe past.

    Perl can do good work. It could be better if it were better documented. People in the Perl community complain that they want more supporters and perl enthusiasts, and write long threads wondering how to attract people, but they don't want to do the basics, like document the language cleanly, simply and concisely. Now, I'll make a prediction: your response (if you respond at all) is going to be even less relevant and coherent than your original rant. This is Ad hominem, antagonistic, and completely uncalled for! I'm not "shooting" at you; I'm providing a valid criticism of an otherwise useful language, based upon real world experience. So go ahead, give me your best shot, but I'm not going to be surprised. Nor open minded... it seems. I'm only replying for the benefit of those who might be misled by all the Perl cheerleading, not for your empty minded, selfish complaints. As for you, get lost. No one need empty minded boosterism.

      Now, I'll make a prediction: your response (if you respond at all) is going to be even less relevant and coherent than your original rant. This is Ad hominem, antagonistic, and completely uncalled for! I'm not "shooting" at you; I'm providing a valid criticism of an otherwise useful language, based upon real world experience.

      This is one of the drawbacks of using the AM account for posting. People are likely to assume you are someone other than who you are and also to assume that you will behave other than you would normally do so. Post under a real account and people are far more likely to give you the benefit of the doubt. Its only human nature...

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      $world=~s/war/peace/g

        This is one of the drawbacks of using the AM account for posting. People are likely to assume you are someone other than who you are and also to assume that you will behave other than you would normally do so.

        That seems like quite an unfair prejudice to me. :-( Why make such assumptions at all?

        Post under a real account and people are far more likely to give you the benefit of the doubt. Its only human nature...

        I think that's just "begging the question". Clearly, I don't consider distaste for anonymous postings to be "only human nature", because it's not in *my* nature, and I consider myself human. :-)

        I've always been a bit bewildered by the hostility that some people display to anonymous posts. I was always taught that educated debate focused on ideas, not on people. Unfortunately, a lot of people seem to disagree. :-(

        What puzzles me even more is that those who seem to object to "anonymous" posting are typically people who themselves post under some anonymous pseudonym, rather than their own real world identity. Am I the only one who senses some measure of hypocrisy there?

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        AC

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