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Re: I'm all for the type of job posting Skip Huffman made

by monarch (Priest)
on Nov 02, 2005 at 01:00 UTC ( #504788=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to I'm all for the type of job posting Skip Huffman made

What GrandFather said about transient and permanent posts is the crux of the problem.

The particular thread in question was useful in-so-far as making a public record of monks' opinion on the matter of business ventures in the form proposed.

However going forward one would not want to see frequent postings of a similar nature.

The very reason for the thread's existance was that jobs.perl.org does not support postings for that kind of business model. Therefore I would suggest that someone (such as the thread author) considers creating a website for that very kind of employment type.

It wouldn't be hard, and at $US7/month for a cheap website in the USA with Perl and database support, it could serve as a service to other like minded entrepreneurs.

Thus, I guess I'm saying I don't see a need or a desire for similar types of postings at perlmonks (just my opinion).

Update: corrected capitalisation of GrandFather.

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Re^2: I'm all for the type of job posting Skip Huffman made
by sauoq (Abbot) on Nov 02, 2005 at 03:02 UTC
    Thus, I guess I'm saying I don't see a need or a desire for similar types of postings at perlmonks (just my opinion).

    I think the desire is there among at least some of us. Let's talk about the need.

    I think it depends somewhat on whose perspective you are looking at it from. I guess the entreprenueurs could go somewhere else. Maybe they could even find such a concentrated pool of capable Perl programmers elsewhere... (doubt it though.)

    But, how about us? What other board would give us the same sort of review and insightful commentary such offers would get from other monks here? That's one thing that the standard answer (jobs.perl.org) doesn't address. There's no one there asking the questions you wish you had thought of or catching the red flag that you missed. That's something PM could provide that you don't find elsewhere. (At least, not that I know of.)

    I've thought about this quite a bit since a CB discussion the other day. I was swaying toward the idea of creating a jobs section when bart mentioned the same issue GrandFather did and that was enough to convince me it wasn't right for the monastery. At least temporarily. I'm not so sure again. I'm not even so sure that the nodes have to be temporary. I mean... how many are there going to be? Why not keep them around as history? Theoretically, it might not seem like such a hot idea, but I really don't see much of a practical downside.

    In that same discussion, tye noted his concern about spam. He asked whether I thought the job posts would all be for Perl jobs. And he voiced concern about too many PM resources being diverted to such a section. I don't buy those arguments though. I think the current moderation system would keep the jobs posted on "topic" so to speak. We could even, if we saw fit, institute a system whereby only monks of, say, level 5 could post a job. Yes, the moderation system should be counted as a monastery "resource" but, it's one we have plenty of to go around. It's not like we can only consider some number of nodes a day based on our XP and we aren't limited on how many considerations we vote on either. Bad job posts would fail to be approved in the first place and then they'd be taken care of efficiently and in short order. I just can't see how it would be otherwise.

    So, I've swung back to the other side again and I find each time I get over here to this side of the fence, it is more and more likely that this will be where I will finally rest my opinion on the issue. Done well, I think a job posting section would be very worthwhile.

    -sauoq
    "My two cents aren't worth a dime.";
    
Re^2: I'm all for the type of job posting Skip Huffman made
by SkipHuffman (Monk) on Nov 02, 2005 at 16:07 UTC

    While I agree (for obvious reasons) that a website that would support/accept my business model, I am not the person to create it. The reason being that I am fully committed to my project. As well as still being a full time employee at my "day job". (And supervising the remodeling of my home.)

    I expect to be fully committed for quite some time. When my new venture takes off I will need to leave my job and devote full time to that.

    Thank you.

    Skip

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