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Re: I'm all for the type of job posting Skip Huffman made

by tirwhan (Abbot)
on Nov 02, 2005 at 11:12 UTC ( #504897=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to I'm all for the type of job posting Skip Huffman made

My question would be: why? What would a PM section accomplish that jobs.perl.org doesn't already? Only add a space for job offers without payment? Does the world really need another website for that purpose (given that job offers of this sort come for free in the mail and on a plethora of contracting sites)?

IMO what Skip or someone in a similar situation could do is put a link to the job offer (or even the offer itself) into their home node and put a short pointer at this in their .sig (e.g. "Looking for programmers, check my home node"). That should be unobtrusive enough to not be considered annoying by most monks and still give them the benefit of "advertising" in monk-space with every post they make.


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Re^2: I'm all for the type of job posting Skip Huffman made
by SkipHuffman (Monk) on Nov 02, 2005 at 16:16 UTC

    One difficulty with the suggestion for "Home Node Posting, plus signature pointer" is that it encourages trivial posting.

    I have been a member since March of 2004, and a reader before that, but I only have 52 writeups, and a large portion of those were this week.

    My skill level puts me in a position where I really don't have a lot to add to most discussions. I am skilled enough where I am not asking a lot of questions, but not so skilled that I can contribute a great deal to the answers.

    If I were to have my sig line as the only way to encourage people to see my job posting, I might have a tendency to post excessively. I am not saying that I would, but it would be a temptation.

    Skip

      That side-effect wouldn't necessarily be bad. Let me explain:

      The only possible value you can get from posting a job advert at PM is that there is a high concentration of skilled perl programmers here, and by posting as one of them you bypass several of the negative connotations that come along with other methods of advertising. Case in point, metaperl posted this thread in your defense because he thinks you are "the monkish type", therefore he tends to look at your advert more favourably than he would otherwise.

      There is no shortage of ways for you (or others like you) to reach a large community of programmers who are looking for a job and offer them one. There is a shortage of places where you can do so without the immediate suspicion that comes from a job offer without pay (I'm not passing judgement on your proposition btw, there are drawbacks to all job offers, even if it's only the drawback of "having to work"). You saw that the reaction to your node was not entirely positive, many people questioned your business model. I'd bet that if you post the exact same offer to a place where you are not "one of the guys" you'd have received an even less favourable feedback from the exact same people (including no feedback, which is even worse).

      What does this have to do with your point regarding trivial posting? Well, if you do post more often (so that your .sig-advert is noticed) people will still read your postings, and if they contain nothing of value you'll be so much less "one of the guys" and so much more a random noise generator and your offer will be viewed accordingly. If your posting instead does contain something of value, the monastery gains and you gain. Win-win :-)


      Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it. -- Brian W. Kernighan

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