Beefy Boxes and Bandwidth Generously Provided by pair Networks
Think about Loose Coupling
 
PerlMonks  

Re^3: Old sorting paper holds the key to unlocking the secrets of the Schwartzian Transform

by monarch (Priest)
on Nov 07, 2005 at 06:06 UTC ( #506240=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^2: Old sorting paper holds the key to unlocking the secrets of the Schwartzian Transform
in thread Old sorting paper holds the key to unlocking the secrets of the Schwartzian Transform

How can you gramatically chain the word "and" more than once in a valid English sentence? I know you can do "that that" but "and and" escapes me..
  • Comment on Re^3: Old sorting paper holds the key to unlocking the secrets of the Schwartzian Transform

Replies are listed 'Best First'.
Re^4: Old sorting paper holds the key to unlocking the secrets of the Schwartzian Transform
by BrowserUk (Pope) on Nov 07, 2005 at 06:46 UTC

    Update:The contents of this post are a work of fiction, for amusement purposes only.

    Any correspondence between concepts and constructs it contains and any real literary entities of similar name or form are purely coincidental, as the author hasn't got a clue!


    That that is one of the words that can be grammatically correctly abutted within a sentence is no surprise, as just demonstrated.

    And and can also be so abutted.

    In these usages of that that, and and and, the first repetition is referring directly to the second.

    But that that that and and and, are not the end to these linguistic anomalies.

    He said the matter was closed, and that that should be an end to it.

    In this usage, the first that is not referring to the second that.

    Once the sentence itself starts both using this phenomena and referring to it, the 'that that', that that 'that that' is referring to can itself become self-referential, with the consequence that that, that that, that that, that that refers to, tends to become obscured.

    However, is it a matter of speculation whether is, is another word that can be so abutted?

    Apparently not :)


    Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
    Lingua non convalesco, consenesco et abolesco. -- Rule 1 has a caveat! -- Who broke the cabal?
    "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
    In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.
      Is can follow a different pattern.

      Is is is?

      "Is is is?" is "Is is is?"

      "'Is is is?' is 'Is is is?'" is 'Is is is?' is 'Is is is?'"

      "'"Is is is?" is "Is is is?"' is '"Is is is?" is "Is is is?"' is '"Is is is?" is "Is is is?"' is '"Is is is?" is "Is is is?"'"

      etc.

      (Note that parsing grammatically correct English sentences is an NP hard problem.)

        (Note that parsing grammatically correct English sentences is an NP hard problem.)
        I feel like I've seen this claim mentioned before here on PM, although I can't find anything via super search. It's not something that I've heard about anywhere else. Do you have a source for this? A natural reduction from, say, 3-SAT to English grammaticity would be quite interesting indeed. I wonder if the subset of English grammar that is used consists of fairly standard constructions, and not obscure things that native speakers may disagree on.

        blokhead

      He said the matter was closed, and that that should be an end to it.

      The word 'that' is one of the only words I can think of that I dislike. There are so many instances where I'm not sure whether including the word is necessary or even gramatically correct. I tend to understand the concept behind doubling the word 'that', as in my quoted example. The second occurance of the word in this case is referring back to the previous sentence (or rather, the object or idea to which the speaker is referring to as being the last item being spoken about the matter).

      I am trying to think up a simple sentence where the word 'that' can be used, but seems to make the exact same sense if you pull the word out. I come across these a lot when writing, but can't seem to invent one now. I bet this issue is dealt with in university English classes at some point :)

        I am trying to think up a simple sentence where the word 'that' can be used, but seems to make the exact same sense if you pull the word out.

        One example comes to mind

      • He said that it made no difference.
      • He said it made no difference.

        Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
        Lingua non convalesco, consenesco et abolesco. -- Rule 1 has a caveat! -- Who broke the cabal?
        "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
        In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.

Log In?
Username:
Password:

What's my password?
Create A New User
Node Status?
node history
Node Type: note [id://506240]
help
Chatterbox?
and the web crawler heard nothing...

How do I use this? | Other CB clients
Other Users?
Others meditating upon the Monastery: (8)
As of 2020-05-25 14:18 GMT
Sections?
Information?
Find Nodes?
Leftovers?
    Voting Booth?
    If programming languages were movie genres, Perl would be:















    Results (146 votes). Check out past polls.

    Notices?