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Re^9: PERL as shibboleth and the Perl community

by chromatic (Archbishop)
on Nov 23, 2005 at 19:38 UTC ( [id://511221]=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^8: PERL as shibboleth and the Perl community
in thread PERL as shibboleth and the Perl community

To me it indicates more than that: you haven't read the good Perl books, you aren't aware of the good Perl websites, you aren't familiar with the writings of the good Perl authors and programmers -- or if you know all those things, you either haven't noticed that they all write "Perl", not "PERL", or you don't care.

It's like misspelling my name or the name of my company in your cover letter. I know what you mean, but it's a silly mistake you could easily have corrected.

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Re^10: PERL as shibboleth and the Perl community
by thor (Priest) on Nov 23, 2005 at 21:48 UTC
    (that) you haven't read the good Perl books
    If every good Perl book mentioned in it "it's Perl, not PERL", then I'd be very put off if I were someone trying to gain entry into the language (why dwell on such a minor issue?). However, as both you and I know, most books don't explicitly make this distinction. So, even if I had read the "good" Perl books, the "proper" spelling of Perl could be implied at best.
    (that) you aren't aware of the good Perl websites
    My previous argument in the grandparent node about the monestary and my statements above about Perl literature should sufficiently address this point.
    (that) you aren't familiar with the writings of the good Perl authors and programmers
    Where else would good Perl authors and programmers write other than in books and on websites? See previous argments.
    or if you know all those things, (that) you either haven't noticed that they all write "Perl", not "PERL", or you don't care.
    Except, as stated in another part of this topic, here and here
    It's like misspelling my name or the name of my company in your cover letter. I know what you mean, but it's a silly mistake you could easily have corrected.
    Err...not quite. In looking at a lot of the books on my shelf right now, I see a lot of the titles are in all capital letters ("APPLIED COMBINATORICS", "LINEAR ALGEBRA AND ITS APPLICATIONS", "THE ART OF WAR", etc). Does this mean that it's wrong to refer to them in a different capitalization ("Applied Combinatorics", "Linear Algebra and its Applications", "The Art of War")? Moreover, the logo for my company spells out the company name in all capital letters. However, the name of the company is most often refered to in title case. Misspelling is one thing; differing capitalization is another.

    And, because I just thought of it, to paraphrase one of the mottoes of the Perl community is "be liberal in what you accept and strict in what you produce". The attitude that "PERL" is absolutely incorrect flies in the face of this somewhat, wouldn't you say?

    thor

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      The attitude that "PERL" is absolutely incorrect flies in the face of this somewhat, wouldn't you say?
      If one wants to be absolutely correct, one should follow the usage in the OED, which does not say that "PERL" is incorrect, but that it is irregular.

      Of course, any true linguist (I'm probably not speaking about your high school English teacher here) will tell you that "correct" is whatever communicates what you want to communicate. The fact is, everyone here agrees that "PERL" sometimes communicates something you don't want it to communicate. We just can't agree on whether that's a bug or a feature. :-)

      And that's essentially the meaning of "irregular". A quite useful category, if you're writing a dictionary.

        Of course, any true linguist (I'm probably not speaking about your high school English teacher here) will tell you that "correct" is whatever communicates what you want to communicate.
        Umm...I don't think so. This seems to note that that is not necessarily true: mistakes can and do happen, even if something is effectively communicated. But maybe I'm misunderstanding where you're saying this is applicable.

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