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Re^7: Dealing with An(?:no|on)ytroll

by Perl Mouse (Chaplain)
on Nov 28, 2005 at 11:26 UTC ( [id://512253]=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

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in reply to Re^6: Dealing with An(?:no|on)ytroll
in thread Dealing with An(?:no|on)ytroll

If you're a company with even a hint of a clue about network security you can easily find out whether a given AM is an employee of yours because you control your network gateway and can read the posts (if you're so inclined).
Most certainly. However, you can't go back in the past and find out who wrote some stuff you don't like. Which is a gigantic difference.
Please give me a valid case scenario where both of the following are true
That's not the point I'm making. Your arguments can as well be used to get rid of anonymous monks all together.
If there is such a scenario I'll agree that you're right and retract my proposal. If you believe the requirement of logging in to achieve anonymity is too harsh and 2. would pose too much of an inconvenience to people, I would like to agree to disagree at this point.
That's not my point at all. If convenience is an issue, here's an extremely convenient one: don't reply to trolls. Doesn't require any work on your side. Doesn't require giving up anonymity of anon monks. Doesn't require code changes.
But your proposal is to list every ones IP address.
No, I'm only proposing to list AM IP addresses.
Now I'm confused. I make an anology to single out all red cars (and not blue cars, yellow cars, black cars, white cars) and change them because a single red car is a nuisance, and you claim that changing all cars is a better anology.

So, what is it? All cars (that is, IP addresses listed for everyone), or just red cars (that is, IP addresses for AMs)?

Posts from logged-in users already have a unique identifier, their username, a second one is not necessary for any purpose I can see.
Well, posts have a unique identifier in the sense that each post only has one user name. The user name may be reused in a different post. However, there's nothing enforcing a person to use a single unique user name. Users can have as many user names as they want. And believe me, there are users with different user names.

Look, we're going round in circles here and I'm sorry but I have a feeling you're either trying hard to misunderstand me or our perceptions of reality do not overlap sufficiently to make understanding possible.
Indeed. You seem to think your solution is actually going to solve the problem. I claim that the price of that solution is very high (giving up anonymity - like giving out phone numbers) and that it's very doubtful that it will actually solve the problem.
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Re^8: Dealing with An(?:no|on)ytroll
by tirwhan (Abbot) on Nov 28, 2005 at 11:48 UTC
    you can't go back in the past and find out who wrote some stuff you don't like

    Yes you can, if you collect netflows, use an http proxy or have only slightly paranoid firewall logging enabled. Just compare the timestamp of the node with your logs.

    All your other points I've already replied to in other posts, please reread those carefully if you're really expecting an answer.


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