Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by lidden (Curate) on Nov 13, 2006 at 06:43 UTC
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Homer: Are you saying you're never going to eat any animal again? What about bacon?
Lisa: No.
Homer: Ham?
Lisa: No.
Homer: Pork chops?
Lisa: Dad, those all come from the same animal.
Homer: Heh heh heh. Ooh, yeah, right, Lisa. A wonderful, magical animal.
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Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by chargrill (Parson) on Nov 13, 2006 at 06:13 UTC
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I know Thanksgiving (the USA one, where us USAians normally feast on turkey and potatoes and cranberry jelly and greenbean casserole) is coming up and all, and I should be getting all excited about dead fowl parts, but here in the midwest US we really like our dead cow parts. Especially the tenderloin.
Oh, and Dead camel parts? For the last time, Perl is not dying! :-)
Updated: Made sure to qualify which Thanksgiving I was referring to ;-)
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Wow, -- me for not being aware that other countries have holidays called "Thanksgiving". Though I guess I was aware enough to qualify "midwest" as a "US" reference (I specifically recall thinking "hrm, non-US folks could possibly not know what I mean by 'midwest', so I better tack on a 'US'".)
Thanks for the heads up, northern brother ;-)
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Being Welsh - Lamb is always at the top of my list.
I worked for a short amount of time at an abbotoirs in Mid Wales which processed a 1000 sheep a day, blood and guts everywhere, foul stench, but I still walked around hungry, and my mouth drooling at the sight of all that lamg hanging up!
Why was this not on the original list.
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Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by zentara (Cardinal) on Nov 13, 2006 at 12:36 UTC
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for( 'ice cream'){
$I->scream;
$U->scream;
$WE->all->scream;
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I would eat ice cream all day every day ( if I could get away with it)Ice cream in my coffee..... mmmmm.
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Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by syphilis (Archbishop) on Nov 13, 2006 at 08:21 UTC
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Many of the early explorers of this fair land of Oz survived on dead camel parts .... well .... for a while, anyway.
Gotta be worthy of a vote.
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Explains why those antipodeans get the hump when asked if their ancestors paid for their passage or had it supplied free. (Actually if I were a tad younger and my wife more agreable I think I'd try to emigrate there so please take this in the right spirit.)
Why no mention of dead sheep parts? Or since it's the most widely consumed meat in the world, dead goat parts?
Mmmm! Goat curry, roti, plantain, sweet potatoes, fresh mangos. Good rum and lots of time in the sunshine.
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Why no mention of dead sheep parts?
Obviously didn't want to upset the New Zealanders ;-)
And speaking of goats ... a friend of mine was recently accused of having made love to a goat ... but it's not as bad as you might think. (His wife was accused of acting the goat.)
Cheers, Rob
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Hear hear! My brother, bless him, is roasting a lamb for Thanksgiving. I only hope that, this time, he remembers that the lamb goes on the spit, not vice versa.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CamelThere is, however, a substantial feral population estimated at up to 700,000 in central parts of Australia, descended from individuals introduced as means of transport in the 19th century and early 20th century. This population is growing at approximately 11% per year and in recent times the state government of South Australia has decided to cull the animals using aerial marksmen, the reason being that the camels use too much of the limited resources needed by sheep farmers. For more information, see Australian feral camel.
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Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by blue_cowdawg (Monsignor) on Nov 14, 2006 at 14:21 UTC
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MMMMMMmmmmm... dead cow parts!!
Take an 8 to 12 pound brisket, put some rub on there and
let it sit the refrigerator for a 2 days with the rub on
it. Take it out and let it stand long enought to come to
room tempurature while the fires of the smoker are being
started and prepped.
Smoke it at 200F for 10 to 14 hours until the internal
temperature hits about 160 or so. Half way through the
cooking process wrap it in tight layers of plastic wrap
followed by aluminum foil. Make some BBQ sauce. Get
some (or bake some) Portugese rolls. Saute some onions
to go with that
MMMMmmmmmMMMMMmmmmMMMM!
Basic Brisket Rub |
Qty | Ingredient |
8T | Spanish (sweet) Paprika |
8T | Garlic Powder (not garlic salt! |
8T | Onion Powder |
6T | Kosher Salt |
6T | Powdered Oregano |
6T | Powdered Sage |
4T | Powdered Cumin |
4T | Powdered Thyme |
4T | Dry Mustard |
1t | Cayenne Pepper |
Mix all ingredients in a non-reactive bowl (glass,
pyrex, etc.) until well combined. Keeps up to 3 months
in a refrigerator and tightly sealed container.
Peter L. Berghold -- Unix Professional
Peter -at- Berghold -dot- Net; AOL IM redcowdawg Yahoo IM: blue_cowdawg
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Re: My favorite food for feasting: (bias)
by tye (Sage) on Nov 13, 2006 at 21:50 UTC
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Just because you are too insensitive to hear the beans scream, doesn't mean you didn't murder them when you had that tofu made for you. So, if you didn't have such an unreasonable bias against life forms outside your own kingdom, you'd have made that last item "dead bean parts", of course.
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You do know that beans are evil and they're planning to kill us in our sleep, don't you? They need to be put in their place, and that place is tofu.
We can only be saved if we team up with the cows and sheep to stop them in the long-term though.
..and that is why I'm vegetarian, no point antagonising the allies.
*twitch*
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Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by blue_cowdawg (Monsignor) on Nov 15, 2006 at 14:21 UTC
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Just a comment about the US holiday of Thanksgiving:
Ya' gotta do it right. A fresh killed turkey from a farm
that uses responsible methods to raise them (I know of
two within driving distance of my house) properly
brined and roasted till just done.
None of them damn Butterball® turkeys or other
hormone hopped up grease and water injected damn things
that you get in most grocery stores for me. No thawed out
frozen things either.
Of course, a good stuffing is in order. My sausage
stuffing being a good example. Side dishes make the
feast. My "Canadian Turnips", garlic mashed
potatoes, pearl (Perl?) onions and peas, squash and
whatever my hand comes to that might look good on the table. Perhaps roasted onions with pecans this year.
And pies... lots of pies. Apple, cherry, pumpkin and my
personal favorite, mince meat made with real honest to
goodness home made mince meat. Not that insipid stuff
that comes in a jar.
While I'm at it, I can't neglect to mention all the
home made biscuits, corn bread and other breads that
no feasting table could possibly be complete without.
This year my wife and I and my friend from Bavaria
are hosting four international students, three of which
have never celebrated the US variety of Thanksgiving
before. I'll give them something to write home about!
Peter L. Berghold -- Unix Professional
Peter -at- Berghold -dot- Net; AOL IM redcowdawg Yahoo IM: blue_cowdawg
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Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by gam3 (Curate) on Nov 15, 2006 at 15:15 UTC
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While simular to dead cow parts, I prefer DEAD BEEF.
This is best when it comes from strong cows and not FEEB BACA.
-- gam3
A picture is worth a thousand words, but takes 200K.
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Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by PerlBear (Hermit) on Nov 13, 2006 at 23:33 UTC
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Left out one of the most important options:
*In it's very best form presented as: Sushi! | [reply] |
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Fish heads, fish heads, rolly polly fish heads
Fish heads, fish heads, eat them up
Yumm!
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rolypolyfishheadsareneverseendrinkingcappucinoinitalianrestaurantswithorientalwomennnnnnn
Yeah!
Gotta love a good Barnes and Barnes reference!
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Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by Smaug (Pilgrim) on Nov 13, 2006 at 06:48 UTC
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Oddly enough, I had a conversation about this with my wife this weekend, on the way to a wedding reception, where we were debating what we 'ordered' on the RSVP cards.
She said something along the lines of: "I think I put you down for meat, and I think I put myself down for fish." Naturally, I responded "Isn't fish meat?". The answer: "No. Well, yes, it's a type of meat, but it's not meat, it's fish."
So there is definitely some set of people that think that meat == beef, pork, or chicken, and vegetarian == non-meat. To some of these people, non-meat includes fish, which makes no sense to me, but oodles of sense to my wife. Possibly because she hails from the east coast of the US, where seafood is plentiful, and needs to be classified differently from normal midwestern fare such as beef, chicken, and pork. Which are all meats. But not seafood. Thus the strange non-meat distinction.
I asked her very kindly to refer to non-seafood 'meat' as either beef, pork or chicken - but no, those are meat, while seafood is fish. And not meat. Which I do not understand, but understandably have to accept.
Suffice it to say that some vegetarians (perhaps our own ysth included) consider fish a non-meat meat, and thus don't include it on meat v. non-meat polls.
Update:Oh, and due to the above, I have no idea how my wife would answer the poll for Christmas, where her family observes the (italian|catholic|east-coast) tradition of the "Feast of (nearly) 7 fishes", where they feast on several (up to, but never more than, 7) types of fish, none of which I particularly care for ;-)
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One time I was traveling and getting a little bit tired of eating steak. I asked if they had something besides meat, and they replied yes, they had chicken.
This was in southern Germany, and it wasn't a translation error since the person who asked for me speaks fluent German. (I've actually had some of the best vegetarian food at the German Perl Workshop, but I don't think that's the norm.)
Oh, and people who eat fish and seafood (but not other meats) should just call themselves pescetarian. Otherwise they're deluding themselves.
# I eat most red meat and fowl, but not fish or pork. The term for this diet is 'picky'.
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Ha Ha!!
I've had the same or similar discussion with my wife recently over the whole red meat vs white meat discussion. In her opinion "all fowl is white meat", and "all animals are red meat." This of course means that neither fish nor fowl are animals?!?! But when I raised this I was apparently being difficult......
I decided not to even go down the road of escargot, or ostrich (which is a fowl as you know, but is red meat).
Update:
Roger Waters (from the album Radio K.A.O.S.):
Californian Weirdo: "I don't like fish."
Jim: "You are listening to KAOS here in Los Angeles."
Californian Weirdo: "I don't like fish."
Jim: "Yes, we've established that. Ah! Do you have a request?"
Californian Weirdo: "Shell fish, Guppy, Salmon, Shrimp, and crab, and lobster, Flounder, I hate fish
But I think most of all I hate fresh fish, like trout. I hate fresh trout. My least-hated, favorite fish would be sole. That way you don't have to see the eyes. Sole has no eyes."
Jim: "Oh no!"
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heh, you've done the same thing. You treated seafood and fish as synonyms. ( Uh, no you didn't ) What about crustaceans and mollusks? They're not fishes, but they're definitely seafood.
ummmm... lobster...
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You are using a faulty definition of vegetarian. What constitutes meat has nothing to do with what constitutes vegetarian. Think vegetarian == non-animals (or animal kingdom) or better still think vegetarian == vegetable (vegetable kingdom). I'm a long term vegetarian (>14 years now) and I hate it when you go into an eating place and ask about vegetarian dishes and they list the fish and chicken dishes because some-one who doesn't eat whatever (usually "red" down here) meat (for whatever valid reason) and calls themselves vegetarian.
For the record I've never had a tofu cheesecake but I'm not against trying some if some-one is offering :-)
-- Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Seek what they sought. -Basho
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Howdy!
Clearly, fish is not meat. I shall demonstrate:
Consider this jar of "herring in cream sauce". Note that the ingredients include herring and sour cream.
Now note the hekhsher. It is classified as "kosher, dairy". Since kosher prohibits the mixing of meat and milk, and this is milchik, clearly the herring parts are not meat.
QED
yours, helpfully,
Michael
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I've had similar conversations with some of my Eastern Indian coworkers and friends.
Turns out, there are many different ways across that sub-continent; and many have their own interpretation of diet. Nisha is from Caerla in the south and she will eat anything, no dietary restrictions. Sampath is her neighbor to the east, and he won't eat any animal products, even dairy products, but he will eat fish. Rama is his compatriot and will eat chicken, and dairy.
On the other hand, my wife was raised in a Spanish Catholic home; and they interpreted the "meatless" Fridays rule to be "you must eat fish." Whereas in my experience (Irish Catholic/ Episcopalian) Mac and Cheese was as valid as fish because the idea for us was just "no meat".
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I suspect that this is less an Eastern US coastal thing, per se than a very old Christian heritage thing. There was, once upon a time, a religious proscription against eating meat on fast days. Some versions of Christianity still maintain this, with varying numbers of fast days (I know that Roman Catholicism still does; it's just that the fast days have dwindled to Ash Wednesday and Fridays during Lent). On these fast days, "meat", as in "the flesh and offal of terrestrial animals" is forbidden. "Non-meat" flesh, as in the meat and offal of aquatic animals ("aquatic animals" was occasionally defined to include or exclude animals such as muskrats or waterfowl) was allowed. Some more rigorous dietary limitations of the past (this is specifically for Roman Catholics; I don't know whether these ever applied to Orthodox, Coptic, Syriac, etc, Christians) went so far as to include dairy and eggs in the foods forbidden upon fast days.
emc
At that time [1909] the chief engineer was almost always the chief test pilot as well. That had the fortunate result of eliminating poor engineering early in aviation.
—Igor Sikorsky, reported in AOPA Pilot magazine February 2003.
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Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by swampyankee (Parson) on Nov 13, 2006 at 23:37 UTC
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My feasting preference is dead fowl parts, although I also enjoy feasting on dead cow parts, dead lamb parts, dead fish parts, dead crustaceans, and some forms of dead molluscs.
I've not eaten dead camel parts, nor dead equine parts. I have, however, feasted upon dead rabbit parts, dead goat parts, and (a mistake) dead squirrel parts,
I draw the line well before live monkey brains. Indeed, I tend to prefer my meats dead (no oysters!) and cooked (nor steak tartare). Live monkey brains violates both those rules.
emc
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The worst dead parts I ever had was ...
Some history, about 25 years back Indian restaurants charged extra for chicken off the bone (they all use breast now which is why they don't taste as good). Being poor(er) and prefering the flavour I ordered a chicken madras from a local restaurant of less than honourable mention.
It was not very nice and if I ever meet a chicken with bone structure like that "fowl" I think we would be in serious trouble.
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Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by pajout (Curate) on Nov 13, 2006 at 10:58 UTC
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Dead llama parts.
For explanation of potential culture diversities, in Czech Republic, in IT jargon, (l)lama or lamer is the very unexperienced user, FBU. We don't eat llamas commonly :>) | [reply] |
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Yep. I'v imagined the misty shape of lama...
Some years ago my friend experienced this story: He was a system maintenance engineer in a medium (~50 people) company. Once at night, when he was leaving republic, the director called him that the system is totally off, nothing works. Hi decided to get some informations by phone and asked the director to go into server room, switch the monitor and... "What do you see in the monitor?"
"There is 'Enter login name and password'..."
"Please, enter following login name and password: ..."
"I'v entered it."
"Whats happened?"
"Nothing."
"Hmm, please, try it once more... I will spell it..."
...
"Whats happened?"
"The same. Nothing."
So my friend decided that the problem is serious, turned his car back and after a few hours was in the server room. Both login name and password were correctly typed. But nobody pressed enter.
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Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by mk. (Friar) on Nov 13, 2006 at 12:40 UTC
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dead cow parts are always a valid choice!
(i guess, if my vegan friends ever read this, they are definitely serving dead parts of me during their next feast...)
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i guess, if my vegan friends ever read this, they are definitely serving dead parts of me during their next feast...
So, what are you then, that your veggie friends may serve you? A fruitcake?
I'm a vegetarian canibal. I only eat non-meat eaters.
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ew, no! i said they'd serve me, not eat me! ;)
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Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by themage (Friar) on Nov 13, 2006 at 14:21 UTC
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Hi,
I'm a Meatarian. And by meat I mean pork, cow, chicken, rabbits and almost anything from small birds to cows.
Vegetable for me are nice things to eat with meat.
Fish are a good dish for night, just before going sleep. But not for lunch in most days, it's to light. Seafood (crustaceans and mollusks, but not fish. Fish is Fish) is a nice entry dish, but wouldn't make it a full dish (the closest is "Carne de Porco à Alentejana" - a dish with crustaceans, pork meat and patatoes).
Tofu, for me, is off-limits. Been there, eaten a few times. And don't want more. That, obviously, extends to other vegetarian dishes. I respect those who are vegetatian. But I'm not!
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/me Unleashes the mighty power of the Lettuce ...
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Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by ambrus (Abbot) on Nov 13, 2006 at 11:25 UTC
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lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals and fruit bats and large chu--
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Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by papidave (Pilgrim) on Nov 15, 2006 at 19:31 UTC
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In New England (USA), dead crustacean and mollusk parts are absolutely de rigueur for proper feasting, at least during the summer. Even the vegetarians in my extended clan typically define animals to be "anything with eyes", so they could enjoy a good clambake as well, provided you left out the lobster. | [reply] |
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I'm from New England. A proper summer includes at least one feast involving a lobster roll, and at least one feast involving steamers or fried clams with the bellies.
And for your vegetarian friends:
I guess they can't eat scallops, either (good thing; this leaves more for me. Scallops are incredibly delicious.). After all, they've got 30 or 40 eyes.
emc
At that time [1909] the chief engineer was almost always the chief test pilot as well. That had the fortunate result of eliminating poor engineering early in aviation.
—Igor Sikorsky, reported in AOPA Pilot magazine February 2003.
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Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by belg4mit (Prior) on Nov 13, 2006 at 21:55 UTC
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I thought it was chilled monkey brains.
Anywho, I like to eat spam a lot ;-)
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Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by planetscape (Chancellor) on Nov 19, 2006 at 09:01 UTC
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Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by margulies (Friar) on Nov 13, 2006 at 09:42 UTC
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Hummmm....
- Barbecue of camel parts;
- Camel meat fried with eggs;
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Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by kabeldag (Hermit) on Nov 15, 2006 at 01:36 UTC
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Nothing beats a few "live Monkey brains" and a lemonade after a long bike ride in the evening.
Thing is, as all the people I live with are vegetarians. And, as you could imagine, they eat Tofu cheesecake. I have to feast in the shed out the back so as to not upset my associates. Finding the Monkey brains fresh, and alive at the local supermarket can also be a task in itself. | [reply] |
Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by apotheon (Deacon) on Nov 13, 2006 at 12:02 UTC
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Venison, buffalo stirrup steak, and lamb in mint sauce with Yorkshire pudding, pretty much in that order. Oh yum.
I'm a huge fan of red meat, though I find beef pretty unpalatable (what most people think of when I said "red meat"). Since "cow parts" was the only red meat option I've actually had that was on the list, and I don't much like cow parts, I chose the only other red meat on the list -- camel.
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Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by greywolf (Priest) on Nov 16, 2006 at 21:21 UTC
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Mmmm... dead cow (sirloin) with peppercorn sauce. You just can't go wrong with the peppercorn sauce.
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Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by buff3r (Scribe) on Nov 17, 2006 at 16:48 UTC
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I'm with the rest of the veggie monks. My favorite thanksgiving meal is the unturkey. | [reply] |
Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by samizdat (Vicar) on Nov 17, 2006 at 02:40 UTC
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Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by wolfger (Deacon) on Nov 14, 2006 at 12:42 UTC
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Vegies and Fruits and Grains
by jonadab (Parson) on Nov 14, 2006 at 14:41 UTC
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The really good stuff is the fruits and vegies and such. Glazed carrots, creamed dried corn, baked apples with brown sugar and raisins, baked acorn squash, steamed broccoli, homemade Jonathan & Grimes Golden applesauce, potatoes with black pepper and salt, stuffing (largely a grain product, ultimately), peas, cranberry sauce, light and fluffy pumpkin pies (not those thick gooey things you get at the store, but the real, honest-to-goodness homemade ones with the beaten eggwhites in the filling), pears with sugar and cinnamon and nutmeg, homemade apple and peach pies, biscuits (or rolls) with homemade peach jam, ... I could go on and on.
I voted for dead fowl parts, because we have that too. But that's just there to balance out the meal so it has some protein. It's the other stuff that's really exciting.
Tofu and/or cheesecake are right out. I like beans okay, but not in that form, and cheesecake must be kept FAR away from feasts, to prevent a dangerous food/antifood reaction. The combination of tofu and cheesecake together is too horrible to contemplate.
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Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by poqui (Deacon) on Nov 14, 2006 at 16:41 UTC
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For me, it just ain't a feast unless theres a dead fowl.
It may be a meal, but not a feast.
Here is how I plan on preparing my fowl this feasting:
. Buy it fresh!
. Brine the puppy (1C kosher salt / gal water; add seasonings; soak 8 - 18 hours)
. roast unstuffed in a roasting bag
Once you've brined a turkey, its hard to go back. Brining really flavors the turkey deeply; this year I'm adding honey. The bag really helps keep the bird moist too. Pop it open the last 15 to 30 min to crisp it up.
I'd really like to try a Turducken, but its too expensive yet.
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Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by greatshots (Pilgrim) on Nov 17, 2006 at 12:22 UTC
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Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by sweetblood (Prior) on Nov 13, 2006 at 14:18 UTC
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My favorite are the fishy bits, all sorts shelled, finned, and long and slimy. Raw or cooked.
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Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by jgamble (Pilgrim) on Nov 13, 2006 at 16:58 UTC
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Ostrich. Hard to have a true feast though, I know too many vegetarians.
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Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by Tosco (Novice) on Apr 27, 2007 at 09:23 UTC
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Chickens are even worse !! | [reply] |
Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by Anonymous Monk on Nov 13, 2006 at 10:29 UTC
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My favourite food wasn't listed, 'live human brains', so I picked the closest thing. | [reply] |
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Which begs the question, do zombies use perl? Hmm?
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Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by Anonymous Monk on Nov 13, 2006 at 07:47 UTC
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Fowl, cow or pig, you always feast the same part, or you get hurt. | [reply] |
Re: My favorite food for feasting:
by Mago (Parson) on Nov 17, 2006 at 07:18 UTC
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My feasting preference is the woman sex parts !!!
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Yea, that's also good.
And not only for feasting.
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