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Re^7: How do janitors get fired? (sneaky)

by tye (Sage)
on Jan 10, 2007 at 23:40 UTC ( #594033=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^6: How do janitors get fired? (sneaky)
in thread How do janitors get fired?

You weren't active during the time that it was decided to limit membership to those who were actively following discussions of policy. So your removal was justified (because you weren't active).

The action was announced. But you didn't see the announcement because you weren't active in keeping up with janitorial policy discussions.

Now you claim that you will be active. So perhaps you would be a good addition to janitors. However, we aren't looking for more janitors at this time.

We could have instead snooped and announced "the following people haven't looked at the wiki in the last X days or haven't made more than Y node edits in the last Z days and so have been dropped due to that inactivity". However, an important part of the culling was to require everyone who remained to positively commit to paying stricter attention to policy. So we, perhaps unfortunately, decided to evaluate two criteria with one test.

It was hoped that those who didn't see the notice would be forced to admit to themselves that they hadn't been active in following policy and so would realize that there was some reason for dropping them from the group.

Your lack of activity was temporary, but it was real and extended. That some things happened while you were gone should not be a big shock. It even took you quite a while to notice after your membership had been dropped.

In hindsight, it probably would have been better to personally announce to each dropped member after they failed to respond in time, and to thank them for otheir service. But I don't think that failure in courtesy justifies a change in outcomes.

Finally, your private ultimatum to me ("otherwise just delete my account and all of my contributions here") is so against the point of this site as to warrant considering removing you from janitors if you were still in it. If you take the mt2k route and choose to take all of your marbles and go home, then most likely all of your marbles will be restored from backup and your account locked. I certainly will vote against adding anyone to janitors who has made such a pronouncement (since janitors have the ability to wipe more than just their own nodes).

Although your ultimatum didn't have a smiley on it, I'm not inclined to take it completely seriously as it runs counter to my impression of your character. I hope my impression is not that inaccurate.

I'm sorry that this clumsy site management has upset you so much and prompted a self-defeating ultimatum.

- tye        

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Re^8: How do janitors get fired? (sneaky)
by jeffa (Bishop) on Jan 11, 2007 at 00:01 UTC
    I cannot believe you just painted me as someone who would abuse the priveledge of a janitor. You have been resorting to some seriously low blows recently tye. Very uncool.

    I want you to acknowledge that i have NEVER abused janitor privilege. Most everyone here knows that i got a bit trigger happy with /borg'ing Intrepid and i have sent some controversial private /msg's around, but don't you dare imply that i ever abused my services in the past as a janitor or ever for that matter. My comment to you was an expression of what you took away from me, not a threat to take away what i have given to you.

    How dare you use that as a means to shut me up with.

      I noted that membership in janitors is precluded by your ultimatum. I did not paint you as someone who would abuse the privilege. I noted that I couldn't take your ultimatum completely seriously because it doesn't match my impression of you. None the less, despite my personal doubt that you would abuse the privilege and me not being aware of you ever having abused the privilege (and the fact that I'd be quite surprised if I did discover that), I was indeed shocked by your ultimatum and it is so antithetical to how the site is run that I consider it incompatible with that level of privileged access.

      It was your ultimatum. And you chose to make your complaint in public and with haste. So I didn't feel the ultimatum could remain a private concern to be handled with deliberation.

      But, no, I don't believe you would abuse the privilege and I am not aware of you having abused the privilege.

      - tye        

        Thank you.

Re^8: How do janitors get fired? (sneaky)
by bart (Canon) on Jan 11, 2007 at 11:58 UTC
    So perhaps you would be a good addition to janitors. However, we aren't looking for more janitors at this time.
    What the...

    IMO one should distinguish between annulling the action of firing someone, and rehiring him.

    OTOH I agree that any threats uttered by that person are a reason for preventing this annullation. (ETOOMANYNEGATIVES? Well I hope my intention is still clear...) No disrespect intended to that person.

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