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Re^2: Catalyst on Win32 !!!

by Ovid (Cardinal)
on Jul 06, 2007 at 09:13 UTC ( #625222=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to Re: Catalyst on Win32 !!!
in thread Catalyst on Win32 !!!

I don't want this to sound rude or disrespectful, but my_ question is: why would you want to develop with Catalyst on Windoze? in fact, why would you want to even use Windoze in the first place!

I used to say things like that a lot more frequently, but after a while I realized, there's no point in saying that. Windows is here to stay, many people develop on it, and with the new tools Microsoft is coming out with, Windows is becoming friendlier to developers (PowerShell is incredible!) and while it's not my first choice to develop on, the fact remains, it's there. Chiding someone for something which may very well be paying their rent doesn't help.

For that matter, TAP::Parser is slated for the core to replace Test::Harness. Given that if it breaks on Windows, we've broken the toolchain for potentially tens of thousands of users, do you think that not paying attention to Windows would be a good thing?


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Re^3: Catalyst on Win32 !!!
by jZed (Prior) on Jul 07, 2007 at 17:32 UTC

    Windows may be becoming better. Apple may already be better. But neither of them will ever manage to cover over the ugly, immoral, marketing-controlled, knowledge-robbing, anti-social, greediness that lies at their core. Yes, Perl should (and does mostly) provide support for working on those platforms. Yes, we at Perlmonks should (and mostly do) provide support to monks who work on those platforms. But that doesn't mean we have to like it.

    I'll make a deal with you though - if you can get me back the years of my life I wasted trying to get things to work in MSIE, I'll stop bashing Windows :-). Well, actually not, you'd also have to get them to stop trying to influence governmental and educational policies and pulling evil crap like not supporting the one-laptop-per-child and then trying to undercut it at the last minute. And please, don't try to convince me that Windows is becoming "developer friendly" - they still have and will always abuse the power to change APIs and anything else they want at the drop of a marketing hat.

Re^3: Catalyst on Win32 !!!
by ait (Friar) on Jul 07, 2007 at 14:01 UTC
    do you think that not paying attention to Windows would be a good thing?

    I respect both your comments (your and chromatic's). Nevertheless my answer to your question above is yes, it would be a good thing. It may not be the right answer to you, but after personally fighting off Microsoft (and SAP, and Oracle, and others) in our parliament to defend our government's position on Free and Open Source Software, you realize that it is not purely a question of market (or technical for that matter), but more a question of principle.

    Furthermore, I did answer the original seeker posting and helped out as best I could, even though I did not agree on his developing platform. So who, in practice, is being radical? Why pick on the purely political aspect of my posting, instead of commenting on the shadowcat solution proposed which in my humble experience is by far the fastest and easiest way of installing Catalyst. Or is it that Windows users cannot use the CPAN shell and have to rely purely on ActiveState compatible ppm's?


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