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Re^2: Please remember that geeks have their own social mores.

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on Feb 24, 2008 at 03:06 UTC ( #669809=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


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in thread Please remember that geeks have their own social mores.

All new frontiers are initially conquered by those who are considered the outsiders by the mainstream culture. Just look at who came over to the US first, who went West first, etc. In that kind of situation, the individual's capabilities are strongly preferred because an individual can make a much larger difference.

To take a sports analogy, there's a reason why basketball has superstars that out-eclipse those for american football, real football, cricket, and baseball (to cover my bases). Since there's only 5 people/team on the floor at any given time (vs. 9 to 11 for the other sports), each person's performance has more weight. (For those who argue that the quarterback is the superstar of american football, I only have to point to Brett Favre's performance over the past 12 years and its correlation to the capabilities of his front line. And, yes, I'm a Packers fan.)

Now, I suspect my remarks are being read into. I was specifically addressing the confusion that many have when they comes in, as what they perceive to be a reasonable question, and receives what they perceive to be rude response. I wasn't addressing how geeks interoperate or the relative amount of cooperation vs. individualism in the FOSS community as a whole. Frankly, most geeks interoperate very well.


My criteria for good software:
  1. Does it work?
  2. Can someone else come in, make a change, and be reasonably certain no bugs were introduced?
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Re^3: Please remember that geeks have their own social mores.
by BrowserUk (Patriarch) on Feb 24, 2008 at 04:00 UTC
      BrowserUk,
      Geeks don't do sports or sports fanism.

      I still use the definition of geek as it related to the distinction between nerds and dorks that I learned back in high school.

      A dork is a social outcast. They lack all physical and social grace. While they may enjoy D&D, they have no exceptional intelligence. They are awkward in every way.

      Nerds are also socially and physically inept. The distinction, a nerd has a well above average intelligence.

      A geek is someone that you could sit next to at a bar and have no idea that they are a rocket scientist. They may not excel at sports or in the art of eloquent speech, but they don't stand out enough to initiate ridicule.

      I tend to find the profile of J Random Hacker quite accurate and would point to Physical Activity And Sports. It has been several years since I did anything resembling physical activity - but long distance running used to be my sport of choice.

      Cheers - L~R

        To me, Jocks are Scotsmen; freshmen are not women, but chase them; and I've no idea what a sophomore is except through third hand context derived from TV and Hollywood.

        So it is, that all three of the terms you differentiate, are simply youthful Americanisms who's meanings I derive only through inference from the media. Vaguely insulting terms used by one adolecent tribe to describe members of another. Generally interchangable.

        I was a fairly competent gymnast, and I can still turn a handspring or cartwheel at will, despite my advancing years. Though the fear getting it wrong is an ever stronger deterant from proving that these days. I was also pretty good at Softball for the couple of years I had the opportunity to play.

        I would never ascribe myself as belonging to any of those tribes or sub-tribes. But then, I actively shun labels, and any form of categorisation. For myself or others.

        I recognise common traits in pairs or more of people, but also differences. And the latter have always intrigued me more than the former.


        Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
        "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
        In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.
      Only because you're conflating understanding sports with playing sports. Geeks may not be as athletic, but all those statistics about baseball didn't come out of nowhere. Not to mention, who do you think comes up with the betting lines?! :-p

      My criteria for good software:
      1. Does it work?
      2. Can someone else come in, make a change, and be reasonably certain no bugs were introduced?
        ... who do you think comes up with the betting lines?!

        Well yeah. But using analogies that 'sports fans' will understand? That's...that's just pandering to the chattering classes.


        Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
        "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
        In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.

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