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Re^3: Perl Certification

by Your Mother (Archbishop)
on Sep 06, 2008 at 20:46 UTC ( [id://709550]=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^2: Perl Certification
in thread Perl Certification

Looks like you have a space for it(?). If I were going to try to do a cert scheme, and I've considered it before, I'd probably break it into pieces, theoretical parts, tests, reqs, areas of expertise. BrowserUK for example can hack the pants off of me, as it were, in huge tracts of land problem domains but if you're hiring for CGI/Ajax I would be a much better choice because he doesn't do, or care to, that stuff. So any realistic cert plan would have to be, like some good Perl, modular.

Then I'd come back here with one standalone piece at at a time for feedback. The critiques might be brutal but they're also usually solid. Whatever survives, or is at least not rendered entirely impotent, could go into the scheme. I don't like design by committee, you usually get the lowest common denominator or an ongoing process that takes... um, when did Jon Orwant throw that coffee cup again? Critique by the meritocracy would save many cycles of putting it together; again, if it can be. It would be a lot of work with very little love in return.

The main reason I'm pro-certification despite agreeing with the criticisms is the publicity, visibility, and discussion it would generate. The sense of Perl being a legitimate, first-class programming language shouldn't be an epiphany that is reached by the odd, above average tech manager. An entirely worthless certificate might benefit the larger Perl world just by existing, even if it wasted some time for the average hacker or put extra pointless paper on the HR desk. Plenty of awful Perl hackers are getting hired every day without certificates.

(update: fixed spelling of Jon.)

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Re^4: Perl Certification
by chromatic (Archbishop) on Sep 07, 2008 at 01:34 UTC
    I don't like design by committee, you usually get the lowest common denominator or an ongoing process that takes... um, when did Jon Orwant throw that coffee cup again?

    I've written voluminously about why Perl 6 didn't happen overnight. If you're going to snipe about it, please consider reading what those of us who actually work on it write about it. We might be wrong, but it would be very nice if you would at least consider our positions or address why we're wrong, rather than adding to the FUD.

      Whoah, cowboy. I was not sniping. I was using an example of how a great project which doesn't wind up LCD can take a very long time. Sorry I was oblique about it.

      Update: Just want to add that I thought my love affair with Perl was so well documented herein that the proper tone would emerge. To whatever extent there was an opinion in the "coffee cup" riff it was from my perspective complimentary. I see LCD in the human world as perhaps the greatest single ill and a near lock for group projects. Sure I would have loved to have had my hands on a code complete Perl 6 four years ago but I'm not complaining. I admire the effort and amazing design work that continues to go into it and if anything I'm embarrassed I don't have the chops to contribute directly.

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