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Obituary section

by Win (Novice)
on Dec 29, 2008 at 12:00 UTC ( #733004=monkdiscuss: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

I've just been thinking. Would it be a good idea to have an obituary section for monks that have sadly passed away? People could be encouraged to keep an address so that relatives would know where to send details of the death. Perlmonks could send on sympathy cards and place a positive obituary detailing interesting nodes etc. Perhaps even representatives could be sent to funerals etc.

Update: I'm not suggesting that people have access to addresses. The family would have to contact Perlmonks and so the family would need a PerlMonks address or email details.

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Re: Obituary section
by Tanktalus (Canon) on Dec 29, 2008 at 14:39 UTC

    Perhaps I read into this wrong, Win, but I got the impression that you are not suggesting that Perlmonks keeps our addresses and such, but that individual monks keep them. I am assuming here, then, that you intend for friends to keep each others' addresses, and/or that monks should be encouraged to put in their address list near their will such that their family/executor would find it and post the obituary (possibly via email) to Perlmonks.

    As such, I see no opportunity for spamming (since jeffa wouldn't send his address to you, nor would he send his address to anyone he didn't feel he could trust not to give it to you).

    That said, I have little reason to believe that this would "work". I'm sure there are many people here who have each others' personal email addresses. I'm not sure whether family/executors look at such lists for notification consistently, and when they do, I'm not sure whether said friend would post it here. If they do, however, I imagine this would fit under Perl News just fine (I could see a debate about whether it'd be Perl News or Perlmonks Discussion, but I doubt that many would argue at the time).

    As for representatives sent to funerals, perhaps that's normal in your culture, but I'm sure most people in N. America would find it somewhat awkward if they had never met the deceased face-to-face prior to the funeral (and thus a likely source of downvotes: "-- (ooo, icky!)"; another source, of course, is any suggestion for a new section).

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Re: Obituary section
by jdporter (Canon) on Dec 31, 2008 at 02:54 UTC

    I think that, at essence, this is not a bad idea. Probably what I'd do (if I were king, which I'm not) is to:

    1. Insert some kind of marker in the homenode of a passed-on monk, indicating same; and
    2. Maintain a simple "In Memoriam" listing page (similar in structure to SIOB) linking to those homenodes.
    Anything more than that would, IMHO, be beyond the prerogative of PerlMonks, Inc.

    However — Be it noted that a eulogistic Perl News item could be posted by any one of us who happens to receive sad news of this sort. I think that would be appropriate. A separate section is definitely not in order.

    Update: Please see PerlMonks Memorial Garden.

    Between the mind which plans and the hands which build, there must be a mediator... and this mediator must be the heart.

      Seeing as this thread was started at exactly the right (wrong?) time, probably within 24-48 hours of blazar's passing, I would like to reiterate, in the proper thread, my support for jdporter's suggestions. That is, official PM policy to insert a marker in the homenode of a passed-on monk, with a link to any Perl News (or Meditation or whatever) node with the announcement of the death. And, further PM policy to do no more than that.

      What say the gods?

      Update: Let's say someone DOES try a hoax. Say they perpetrate the hoax that I die. Nevermind the cheers :-P When I arrive back, I can fix it. If I perpetrate my own fake death, well, really, the community will write me off anyway (well, the ones who haven't already, I mean). To be honest, I don't see a lot of hoaxes being perpetrated here, and even those that do can be corrected by the not-actually-deceased easily enough: respond to the incorrect news item (which was linked from their homenode), and remove the notation the gods put there. And the originator of the hoax will definitely be ostracised. The only hoaxes we see around here are April-first jokes, and I doubt anyone would actually stoop that low for a "joke".

        I agree with Tanktalus, and support jdporter's suggestions as well. I didn't know blazar very well, and haven't been on the site much lately, so Tanktalus's comment was the first I had found of his passing. This is very sad to me :(, and I think that a simple posting of a notice about the Monk's passing, and a In Memoriam page would be a good idea and a nice way to allow the fellow monks of the deceased, who maybe weren't close enough to have information such as a home address and the like, but who nonetheless had a friendship with the deceased monk and wished to show their sympathies, to do so in a simple manner.

        Also, just as a respect issue, this would be a good idea, (jdporter's suggestions I'm referring to here), so that we would be aware, because no one wants to un-knowingly make a comment about someone in jest, only to find out that person is recently deceased and close grieving friends are a bit offended.

        ++jdporter, and Tanktalus

        Of course this may be the wrong time or place, but I was quite saddened to hear of blazar's passing, and offer my sympathies to his family, and the Monks here who were close with him :(

        Let's say someone DOES try a hoax. Say they perpetrate the hoax that I die. Nevermind the cheers :-P When I arrive back, I can fix it.
        Well, in theory, it would be possible someone hoaxes (look ma, I just verbed a noun!) the death of a retired monk (someone who posted a lot in the past, but no longer visits this site). 10% of the top-100 saints haven't been around for a year or longer, so if someone hoaxes their death, it's unlikely to be fixed by said monk themselves anytime soon.

        Not that I think this is a serious problem.

        I'm not numbered in the gods.

        In principle, the idea sounds fine; in practice, it seems difficult to avoid endorsing a hoax.

        Be well,

        I agree with a home node mention/link. It's respectful to the deceased, who in this case gave back to the community plenty.
Re: Obituary section
by CountZero (Bishop) on Dec 29, 2008 at 17:38 UTC
    Definitely no.

    Then we would need a section for births, marriages, divorces, ... as well.

    Such things are best announced in the CB, which is as ephemeral as life and death itself.


    A program should be light and agile, its subroutines connected like a string of pearls. The spirit and intent of the program should be retained throughout. There should be neither too little or too much, neither needless loops nor useless variables, neither lack of structure nor overwhelming rigidity." - The Tao of Programming, 4.1 - Geoffrey James

Re: Obituary section
by swampyankee (Parson) on Dec 29, 2008 at 21:39 UTC

    I have no objection to an obituary section, in principle, as they are not uncommon in many web contexts, such as some professional organizations. Certainly, if one of the better known monks were to die, a death notice would be posted here, as was done with Mr Ing-Simmons.

    Information about American English usage here and here. Floating point issues? Please read this before posting. — emc

Re: Obituary section
by Lawliet (Curate) on Dec 29, 2008 at 16:24 UTC

    When I first saw the OP title I thought of an obituary section for nodes that the NodeReaper has taken. The idea that I saw when reading the OP was not much better ;D. Not just because of who posted it, (I have not been in PM long enough to witness many trolls), but because I think it is completely inappropriate for a discussion board about Perl.

    And you didn't even know bears could type.

Re: Obituary section
by talexb (Canon) on Dec 29, 2008 at 16:48 UTC

    I approved this node just so a few more people could read it and respond. I didn't downvote the node, but my response is a firm and unwavering 'no'.

    Alex / talexb / Toronto

    "Groklaw is the open-source mentality applied to legal research" ~ Linus Torvalds

Re: Obituary section
by jeffa (Bishop) on Dec 29, 2008 at 14:22 UTC

    Keep an address? No thanks! I appreciate the future sympathy but no one BUT my relatives and friends need know my address. Your history here at Perlmonks is suspect at best, Win. I would not put it past you to be a spammer looking for addresses. I just can't be as naively optimistic as Tanktalus to assume otherwise.


    (the triplet paradiddle with high-hat)
Re: Obituary section
by Anomynous Monk (Scribe) on Dec 30, 2008 at 11:00 UTC
    And another section for monks that have passed away while happy?
Re: Obituary section
by Aim9b (Monk) on Feb 20, 2009 at 01:33 UTC
    I'd suggest my death (hoaxed or otherwise) should be handled similar to my organ donation wishes. My family knows my wishes & will act acordingly. I don't know enough monks here yet to call it a real issue, but I'd hope, over the years (I have left) to meet a few. And in preparation, have added PM to my LOLE ("list of loose ends") that my wife or daughter will deal with. I use 3 rotating files, updated monthly. Currently they're on jump drives & sd cards.

    This journal, protected, but complete with ID & Password, has all the clubs, forums, user groups, web sites, blood banks, bars, investment houses, etc. that "might care" to know what happened. Then each of these organizations can post, laugh, grieve, or whatever seems appropriate. Just something I've done since before the war, since if you wait till it's needed, it's too late.

    Overkill? Maybe. I guess only time will tell. ;-)
Re: Obituary section
by linuxer (Curate) on Dec 29, 2008 at 16:53 UTC

    Just to make it short: No, no good idea, imho.

Re: Obituary section
by jonnyfolk (Vicar) on Jan 10, 2009 at 09:27 UTC

    Since I have had it on fairly good authority that I am never going to die, I don't think that this will affect me personally.

    However I am happy to go along with whatever the good mortal monks decide...

Re: Obituary section
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