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Re^2: PerlMonks for newbies?

by cosmicperl (Chaplain)
on Feb 07, 2009 at 02:36 UTC ( [id://742064]=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


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It seems to me similar to the idea of having two emergency numbers for calling the police. One for the small emergencies and one for the serious emergencies
I was thinking more along the lines of asking questions of your primary school teacher, compared to later in life asking serious questions of your University professor.

It splits up the helpers.
I was thinking more of creating new helpers. Most Perl programmers could be very helpful to complete beginners. Whereas a lot of the questions you get here are high level stuff, only top Perl programmers can answer a lot of them.
  For example I'd consider myself an intermediate Perl programmer. I try and always answer a question here when I come to ask one. I don't hang round a lot of answer questions as I know there are much better people already here. On a low level newbie site I'd be more inclined to hang round more as I'd be able to help a lot more people. I believe others would feel the same.
perl users need to know two websites and ...
decide which one to use depending on the problem. Don't think that will work. For a beginner any question he can't answer is advanced

and they need an account on both if they have newbie and advanced questions
I'd think more than they'd start on one, and move onto another.
A lot of people like perlmonks.org because they can help AND learn. Most of them would have to read both websites
I don't see that most of them would have to read both websites :/ Obviously they could if they wanted to. Anything new and interesting that did crop up on the newbie site would then be mentioned here as well, removing the need for people to monitor both. But really there shouldn't be anything like that on the newbie site as it'd be intended for absolute beginners.


Lyle

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Re^3: PerlMonks for newbies?
by jethro (Monsignor) on Feb 07, 2009 at 05:11 UTC

    I have my doubts a "low level" copy of perlmonks will really be a benefit. But feel free to do it. Still, you should think about something to distinguish your site from perlmonks, maybe with an interactive programming course on that website.

Re^3: PerlMonks for newbies?
by Lawliet (Curate) on Feb 07, 2009 at 03:14 UTC
    I was thinking more of creating new helpers.

    Whence would the new helpers come?

    And you didn't even know bears could type.

      Have you seen field of dreams? :)

      But seriously, like I outlined, I think it'd be attractive to many intermediate Perl programmers like myself.

        If you can get the "critical mass" of contribution, yes, I think you'll be able to sustain a somewhat steady-state influx, replacing your ultra-newbies and replacing your not-as-newbies who can answer simple Perl questions (and an overlap of people who both ask and answer questions).

        Heck, I'd love to see several of the obsessive PerlMonks posters be pickier about what they initially reply to. I suspect many junior monks feel like they can almost never answer a question (as I've seen several of them express). That prevents them from getting a whole nother level of satisfaction from PerlMonks. Sure, there are advantages to simple questions quickly getting answers from someone who usually gets the answer at least mostly correct. But I see real advantages to having a wider variety of answers. A "less correct" answer often leads to some interesting and enlightening discussion (especially when it doesn't lead to a more senior Perler "putting 'm in their place" for daring to answer less correctly). And a "less correct" answer is often at a more appropriate level to be appreciated and thus helpful to the original asker.

        I tend not to answer nodes that I believe others can answer about as well or better than I, unless the node has gone unanswered for an unusual length of time. So I'm more likely to answer a node that I believe I may have an unusual insight into. I love it when a very basic question gets answered by somebody with roughly the same experience level as the person asking but who happens to know something about that specific subject.

        I suspect a lot of junior monks see PerlMonks very similar to how I see stackoverflow.com. At any point in time, it is extremely unlikely that I have anything worth contributing to stackoverflow.com (in part because the stated purpose of the site discourages diversions into tangential subjects). So, sure, skimming through stackoverflow can yield me some gems of knowledge, but it sure isn't much fun. I'm sure it will become more useful to me as a place to find via googling for some specific answer (which is a big part of its goal), but it sure isn't any place I'm going to be "hanging out" at or even "reading".

        But, as a senior Monk pointed out on some other site, you can't stop know-it-alls from jumping in over and over. So it might be worthwhile to have a place that offers a culture of telling the know-it-alls to go to PerlMonks if they want to "go all PerlMonks" on people.

        Of course, building a web site and then getting it to critical mass without having the growth end up killing the site can be quite a challenge. All of those growing pains at PerlMonks predate my tenure so I'll offer no advice on that. But good luck!

        - tye        

        I am confused as to your definition of 'intermediate' then. You want the place to be newbie-based, which, as you outlined, will lead to newbie questions. Why will the intermediate programmers want to stick around if all they do is try to explain how to interpolate variables into strings?

        Like others have said, it is a good idea in theory~

        And you didn't even know bears could type.

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