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in reply to Licensing and Rape-Proofing your ideals.
I was satisfied with the answer I got: "well, our
bosses dont really know we're doing this."
That could be where the latest change came from.
I was working at a company to Open Source a particular
product of theirs and it got killed from upper management
after some rather nasty political stuff went down. I later
found docs on why it wasn't to be Open Sourced. Mainly due
to much of the code having different styles. (Because most
of the code had been Open in the first place.)
Was I bitter about this? yes.
Was I upset that it got killed due to someone elses
misconceptions or bias? yes.
Did I realize it was totally out of my control and
that it was better to just let it go? yes
dep Unless you can bring legal bearing
on them, it's better to chalk it up to experience. Have the
client sign a contract, etc... to make sure your code
isn't abused. You can write a letter to Music City
expressing your displeasure and it may help you get some
stuff off your chest, but don't count on any change. It
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Re: Re: Licensing and Rape-Proofing your ideals.
by Anonymous Monk on Apr 24, 2001 at 00:39 UTC
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The remarks by the anonymous person claiming total responsibility for MusicCity is pure science fiction -- almost not worth responding to. The real developer of the opennap software, Dr. Scholl, wouldn't write such nonsense. MusicCity spent considerable time, effort and money (I imagine most monks have a good idea how much bandwidth and servers cost these days) building the MusicCity Network using the opensource opennap platform. Yes, MusicCity got to be very popular because we were able to link our servers together so you could have 40,000 users logged on simultaneously. The opennap protocol was never meant to handle that level of volume. It caused a lot of problems and required hands-on 24/7--which came from the support of many MusicCity moderators. They are the real heros of building the network. Due to many issues, MusicCity has elected to change technology platforms to a pure peer-to-peer technology and will no longer support the opennap platform. The opennap community and opennap technology continues to live without MusicCity and the only thing MusicCity is guilty of is not deploying that platform any longer. In doing so, the MusicCity Network user base went to ZERO. The rebuilding efforts start at GROUND ZERO. And the garbage about porn and off-shore locations--is nothing more than very BAD science fiction. | [reply] |
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Who are you?
deprecated has been here a few months. He has a few
dozen posts. I have a bit of a sense of him.
You don't even have an account here that you are willing
to admit to.
As my friend Karsten pointed
out to me, deprecated is not anonymous to me. He is a
pseudonym. He is an identity. He has a lot invested in
that identity. From that identity I could probably track
down the person. Then he really wouldn't be anonymous.
In fact I could probably just ask him who he is. The odds
are that he would tell me, I could call directory assistance
and could tie the identity he has built up to a name known
in the real world and a voice on the phone. I would then
have attached the identity to something the real world
recognizes.
You could tell me your name, phone number, give me a
personal biography and I would not know you as well as I
know deprecated.
Given that, accusations of anonymity, no matter how
reasonable they appear to you, make you look truly
clueless.
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Good point--being new to the site (someone sent me the link) I did not realize the name "depreciated" was at the top. And the fishbowl headshot in the bio is cute. However, it does not change the fact that depreciated is 1) taking credit for someone else's program (Dr Scholl and opennap); 2) taking credit for building MusicCity and its user base, 3) did not go to any expense to support MusicCity (it takes lots of servers to support 40,000 simultaneous users); and 4) if we are right in our assumption of who he is, did provide some scripts to us to assist with the problem of our servers de-linking--which were never implemented because the scripts did not solve the problem whatsoever. I applaud your efforts to support someone that you have communicated with previously over a stranger (and one who has not registered at this site). MusicCity is just not looking for a bad rap from someone who had nothing to do with us in the first place. Judging by the comments of "depreciated" he would have you think that he was the driving force behind the growth of the MusicCity Network. His comments still remains in the realm of Ray Bradburry. Its a nice story if you choose to beleive it. That's up to you.
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A few points that you seem to miss in posting this, bearing in mind, also what you post further down the line:
- The claim is not total responsibility for MusicCity. I feel that you've not even read the above article, and have applied a knee-jerk reaction, so popular with management totally removed from the technical side of things. The claim is to have aided your (You are an employee of MusicCity, or I'll eat my hat, by the tone of your message) sysadmins to maintain a stable infrastructure on a friendly informal basis.
- You say that the real heros of the system are the 'moderators' of a site. *Cough* If the administrators and people providing the network infrastructure don't set things up reliably, your moderators wouldn't have anything to do, as nobody could get through. This I know. I work for a company that's among the top European net sites (I think we just hit second or third). Infrastructure is vital. If your 'moderators' are also the administrators, please use the correct terms, and refer to them as such.
- You refer to anonymity here, indicating that you have no idea who this person could be. Yet in your later post, you strongly suggest that you know who this person may be. YEt you add the disclaimer that you don't use any of this software, and this person has been no aid at all.
Thinking about this for a moment: You're (Music City) a fairly sizable organisation, with quite a few people working on various projects. If someone REALLY had no input, or provided no aid at all, then, I'd expect them to be unnoticed.
The sheer act of noticing someone means they have stood out. Which makes it highly likely he did contribute significantly to the project.
From your posts, what you're actually attempting to do is fight an issue (who developed the opennap software) which is completely unrelated to the issue in question (deprecated aided your sysadmins in creating a stable network infrastructure).
This is a common debating tactic, using a similar seeming fact to mislead people into believing that you have a valid point of attack, when in fact you have nothing at all to back you up on the relevant subject.
After seeing deprecated in action, I am pretty certain he has the tech savvy to pull off the claims he's made.
From the posts you've made, I don't think you actually know the real tech details of the setup, and until I read something to the contrary, I consider what you post to be irrelevant to the issue at hand.
I would love to be proved wrong, as enlightenment is always a value, and the truth, although sometimes unwelcome is always a better thing to base the future on than wishful thinking.
However, I think proving me wrong will not be easy. If possible.
Cheers,
Malk.
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Now now.
His is probably saying the truth as he sees it. He probably
thinks that a few heros are responsible for their success,
rather than the team. This attitude would explain why
they don't try to round out the team by trying to obtain
and retain competent admins.
Which means that we all know where to look for MusicCity next...
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As much as I hate to contribute to a silly flamewar waged against me, I do have something useful and insightful to contribute to this thread (which will hopefully die today):
If, as you state, MusicCity never intended to fsck the OpenNap community, then open your specification and allow other clients to use the same protocol so we will have our community again. You have succeeded in fragmenting our users and our networks. Now, give back what we gave to you -- the community, and you can continue to profit through your client and our (I include myself and your adminstrators in "our" there) hard work.
That isnt asking too much. If it is, as you say, pure p2p <!- yeah fucking right it is...
a simple netstat will show you that their client is connecting to a group of _servers_ not a group of _clients_. these people are liars. ->, then it is a new specification and I think you owe it to the community to allow others to use it. That was the idea that got all of us together. WinMX, AudioGnome, TekNap, my client/modules, and so on. All of us. One specification, many users. Open specifications breed many clients and many clients means many consumers (and ad click-thrus if you like)...
I sincerely hope you will do The Right Thing.
alex j. avriette
brother dep
known as devnull and deprecated in the nap communities
the source shall set you free.
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Laziness, Impatience, Hubris, and Generosity.
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I read with interest your post on bringing together users of all these clients, such as winmx and audiognome, in some sense of unity.
I entered a linux chatroom as a linux newbie to ask for help many months ago. The room was on an opennap server that was part of a network called 'opencrap'. I wanted to learn how to configure opennap and teknap on my new o/s.
I hardly had a chance to type before being killed from the server for using the audiognome client, by an admin called 'devnull'. This person's parting shot to me was 'audiognome? ewww...you suck!'
I just wondered if this devnull, and the devnull you say you are know as, are related in any way?
Cyder
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From a person who has been with Musiccity network from near the start I can tell this bitching user that he knows nothing about our network or how it was run.
I have been admin on musiccity for most of my time and you have one group to blame for us moving to a new network that group being the RIAA who will sue muciccity if we carry on file sharing there so talk some sense will ya.
Tahnee
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