Re: Re: Licensing and Rape-Proofing your ideals.

[Anonymous Monk]

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[tilly]

Who are you?

deprecated has been here a few months. He has a few dozen posts. I have a bit of a sense of him.

You don't even have an account here that you are willing to admit to.

As my friend Karsten pointed out to me, deprecated is not anonymous to me. He is a pseudonym. He is an identity. He has a lot invested in that identity. From that identity I could probably track down the person. Then he really wouldn't be anonymous. In fact I could probably just ask him who he is. The odds are that he would tell me, I could call directory assistance and could tie the identity he has built up to a name known in the real world and a voice on the phone. I would then have attached the identity to something the real world recognizes.

You could tell me your name, phone number, give me a personal biography and I would not know you as well as I know deprecated.

Given that, accusations of anonymity, no matter how reasonable they appear to you, make you look truly clueless.

[Malkavian]

A few points that you seem to miss in posting this, bearing in mind, also what you post further down the line:


• The claim is not total responsibility for MusicCity. I feel that you've not even read the above article, and have applied a knee-jerk reaction, so popular with management totally removed from the technical side of things. The claim is to have aided your (You are an employee of MusicCity, or I'll eat my hat, by the tone of your message) sysadmins to maintain a stable infrastructure on a friendly informal basis.
• You say that the real heros of the system are the 'moderators' of a site. *Cough* If the administrators and people providing the network infrastructure don't set things up reliably, your moderators wouldn't have anything to do, as nobody could get through. This I know. I work for a company that's among the top European net sites (I think we just hit second or third). Infrastructure is vital. If your 'moderators' are also the administrators, please use the correct terms, and refer to them as such.
• You refer to anonymity here, indicating that you have no idea who this person could be. Yet in your later post, you strongly suggest that you know who this person may be. YEt you add the disclaimer that you don't use any of this software, and this person has been no aid at all.
  Thinking about this for a moment: You're (Music City) a fairly sizable organisation, with quite a few people working on various projects. If someone REALLY had no input, or provided no aid at all, then, I'd expect them to be unnoticed.
  The sheer act of noticing someone means they have stood out. Which makes it highly likely he did contribute significantly to the project.
  
From your posts, what you're actually attempting to do is fight an issue (who developed the opennap software) which is completely unrelated to the issue in question (deprecated aided your sysadmins in creating a stable network infrastructure).
This is a common debating tactic, using a similar seeming fact to mislead people into believing that you have a valid point of attack, when in fact you have nothing at all to back you up on the relevant subject.
After seeing deprecated in action, I am pretty certain he has the tech savvy to pull off the claims he's made.
From the posts you've made, I don't think you actually know the real tech details of the setup, and until I read something to the contrary, I consider what you post to be irrelevant to the issue at hand.
I would love to be proved wrong, as enlightenment is always a value, and the truth, although sometimes unwelcome is always a better thing to base the future on than wishful thinking.
However, I think proving me wrong will not be easy. If possible.

Cheers,

Malk.

[tilly]

Now now.

His is probably saying the truth as he sees it. He probably thinks that a few heros are responsible for their success, rather than the team. This attitude would explain why they don't try to round out the team by trying to obtain and retain competent admins.

Which means that we all know where to look for MusicCity next...

[deprecated]

As much as I hate to contribute to a silly flamewar waged against me, I do have something useful and insightful to contribute to this thread (which will hopefully die today):

If, as you state, MusicCity never intended to fsck the OpenNap community, then open your specification and allow other clients to use the same protocol so we will have our community again. You have succeeded in fragmenting our users and our networks. Now, give back what we gave to you -- the community, and you can continue to profit through your client and our (I include myself and your adminstrators in "our" there) hard work.

That isnt asking too much. If it is, as you say, pure p2p <!- yeah fucking right it is... a simple netstat will show you that their client is connecting to a group of _servers_ not a group of _clients_. these people are liars. ->, then it is a new specification and I think you owe it to the community to allow others to use it. That was the idea that got all of us together. WinMX, AudioGnome, TekNap, my client/modules, and so on. All of us. One specification, many users. Open specifications breed many clients and many clients means many consumers (and ad click-thrus if you like)...

I sincerely hope you will do The Right Thing.

alex j. avriette
brother dep
known as devnull and deprecated in the nap communities

the source shall set you free.

--
Laziness, Impatience, Hubris, and Generosity.

[Anonymous Monk]

I read with interest your post on bringing together users of all these clients, such as winmx and audiognome, in some sense of unity. I entered a linux chatroom as a linux newbie to ask for help many months ago. The room was on an opennap server that was part of a network called 'opencrap'. I wanted to learn how to configure opennap and teknap on my new o/s. I hardly had a chance to type before being killed from the server for using the audiognome client, by an admin called 'devnull'. This person's parting shot to me was 'audiognome? ewww...you suck!' I just wondered if this devnull, and the devnull you say you are know as, are related in any way? Cyder

[Anonymous Monk]

From a person who has been with Musiccity network from near the start I can tell this bitching user that he knows nothing about our network or how it was run. I have been admin on musiccity for most of my time and you have one group to blame for us moving to a new network that group being the RIAA who will sue muciccity if we carry on file sharing there so talk some sense will ya. Tahnee